Sergio,

   In your tests, what indication did you see that the sham link was
up and working as expected?  Did it appear as an OSPF neighbor in 'sh
ospf neigh instance <name>' ?  did something specific occur in your
log file (if you enabled one) that indicated 'sham link up!'.  I
suppose one of the difficulties I'm having is that I don't know what I
should expect to see from the sham link, nor can I tell if it's up or
down.

David


On 07/12/2007, Sergio D. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If this becomes an inter-area type-3 LSA, the remote PE-CE will always
> prefer the on-demand back-up link. If this is correct, then I don't see the
> point of a sham-link.
> >From my tests this has worked as designed, if all routers are configured
> with the same area with a sham-link between PE-PE then the LSA stays as a
> type-1.
>
> http://www.juniper.net/techpubs/software/junos/junos84/swconfig84-vpns/id-10939238.html#id-10939238
>
> On Dec 7, 2007 3:13 AM, Daniel Lete <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Hello Sergio,
> > In the PE where the CE is connected to, LSA Type-1 from CE should be seen
> > as
> > LSA Type-1
> >
> > In the remote PE, LSA Type-1 from that same CE should be seen as LSA
> > Type-3
> > (inter-area)
> >
> > Daniel
> >
> > Sergio D. wrote:
> > > But you should at least be learning the loopbacks from each side as  a
> > > type-1 LSA.
> > > How are these routes showing on the PEs "show route protocol ospf table
> > > sham-link-test"  ? I think I missed that output or sorry if it was
> > already
> > > mentioned.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Message: 4
> > > Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 15:04:03 +0000
> > > From: Daniel Lete <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Subject: Re: [j-nsp] OSPF Sham link question
> > > To: David Ball <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Cc: [email protected]
> > > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> > >
> > > Hello David,
> > > Your comment below:
> > >  > (NB: is it normal that the routes PE2 is learning from the m10 are
> > > 'Extern' ?)
> > >
> > > may not be related at all with sham links or even with rfc2547/rfc4364.
> > If
> > > you
> > > are injecting prefixes into OSPF (redistribute in Cisco or export in
> > > Juniper)
> > > in your CE, then those prefixes will appear as LSA Type-5 (external if
> > you
> > > want).
> > >
> > > Daniel
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > David Ball wrote:
> > >>   Should have mentioned earlier (in case it's relevant), the reason
> > >> for sham-link requirement is that there 'will' be a slow backup link
> > >> between the cisco and the m10, but it'll be direct, so the cisco and
> > >> m10 will think that's the better link (due to intra-area).  So, was
> > >> hoping to use sham-link across T640s to bring things closer to 'par'
> > >> and have those routes appear as intra-area and ultimately prefer the
> > >> sham-link.
> > >>   I was, but am no longer, explicitly exporting routes from BGP into
> > >> OSPF on the PEs.  As requested, more configs and show cmd output
> > >> included.  I appreciate the feedback so far by the way....thanks
> > >> again.
> > >>
> > >> m10's loopback is 172.16.0.3
> > >> cisco's loopback is 172.16.0.4
> > >>
> > >> Pertinent configs from PE1 (T640 facing Cisco):
> > >> lo0 {
> > >>     unit 800 {
> > >>         description "sham-link testing";
> > >>         family inet {
> > >>             filter {
> > >>                 input secure-router-shamlink-test;
> > >>             }
> > >>             address 172.16.0.2/32;
> > >>         }
> > >>     }
> > >> }
> > >>
> > >> ge-7/0/0 {  <---- int facing Cisco
> > >>     unit 0 {
> > >>         family inet {
> > >>             address 172.16.2.1/30;
> > >>         }
> > >>     }
> > >> }
> > >>
> > >> sham-link-test {
> > >>     instance-type vrf;
> > >>     interface ge-7/0/0.0;
> > >>     interface lo0.800;
> > >>     vrf-target target:25983:800;
> > >>     vrf-table-label;
> > >>     protocols {
> > >>         ospf {
> > >>             sham-link local 172.16.0.2;
> > >>             area 0.0.0.0 {
> > >>                 sham-link-remote 172.16.0.1 metric 1;
> > >>                 interface ge-7/0/0.0 {
> > >>                     metric 1;
> > >>                 }
> > >>             }
> > >>         }
> > >>     }
> > >> }
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Pertinent configs from PE2 (T640 facing M10):
> > >>
> > >> lo0 {
> > >>     unit 800 {
> > >>         description "sham-link test";
> > >>         family inet {
> > >>             filter {
> > >>                 input secure-router-shamlink-test;
> > >>             }
> > >>             address 172.16.0.1/32;
> > >>         }
> > >>     }
> > >> }
> > >>
> > >> ge-7/2/1 {      <--------facing m10
> > >>     unit 0 {
> > >>         family inet {
> > >>             address 172.16.1.1/30;
> > >>         }
> > >>     }
> > >> }
> > >>
> > >> sham-link-test {
> > >>     instance-type vrf;
> > >>     interface ge-7/2/1.0;
> > >>     interface lo0.800;
> > >>     vrf-target target:25983:800;
> > >>     vrf-table-label;
> > >>     protocols {
> > >>         ospf {
> > >>             sham-link local 172.16.0.1;
> > >>             area 0.0.0.0 {
> > >>                 sham-link-remote 172.16.0.2 metric 1;
> > >>                 interface ge-7/2/1.0 {
> > >>                     metric 1;
> > >>                 }
> > >>             }
> > >>         }
> > >>     }
> > >> }
> > >>
> > >> OSPF neighbors as seen from PE1:
> > >>> show ospf neighbor instance sham-link-test
> > >>   Address         Interface             State      ID              Pri
> > >  Dead
> > >> 172.16.2.2       ge-7/0/0.0             Full      172.16.0.4         1
> > >  36
> > >> OSPF neighbors as seen from PE2:
> > >>> show ospf neighbor instance sham-link-test
> > >> Address          Interface              State     ID               Pri
> > >  Dead
> > >> 172.16.1.2       ge-7/2/1.0             Full      172.16.0.3       128
> > >  31
> > >> Proof that PE1 is learning PE2's loopback via BGP:
> > >>> show route table sham-link-test
> > >> sham-link-test.inet.0: 9 destinations, 9 routes (9 active, 0 holddown,
> > 0
> > > hidden)
> > >> + = Active Route, - = Last Active, * = Both
> > >>
> > >> 172.16.0.1/32      *[BGP/170] 12:43:03, localpref 100, from 1.7.1.43
> > >>                       AS path: I
> > >>                     > to 1.7.2.18 via ge-0/2/0.0, label-switched-path
> > >> NCP-LSP-00819-005-043
> > >>                       to 1.7.2.1 via ge-0/0/0.0, label-switched-path
> > >> NCP-LSP-00819-005-043
> > >> 172.16.0.2/32      *[Direct/0] 20:29:55
> > >>                     > via lo0.800
> > >>
> > >> Proof that PE2 is learning PE1's loopback via BGP:
> > >>> show route table sham-link-test
> > >> sham-link-test.inet.0: 9 destinations, 9 routes (9 active, 0 holddown,
> > 0
> > > hidden)
> > >> + = Active Route, - = Last Active, * = Both
> > >>
> > >> 172.16.0.1/32      *[Direct/0] 21:04:41
> > >>                     > via lo0.800
> > >> 172.16.0.2/32      *[BGP/170] 18:50:17, localpref 100, from 1.7.1.5
> > >>                       AS path: I
> > >>                     > to 1.7.2.17 via ge-0/2/0.0, label-switched-path
> > >> NCP-LSP-00829-043-005
> > >>                       to 1.7.2.5 via ge-0/0/0.0, label-switched-path
> > >> NCP-LSP-00829-043-005
> > >>
> > >> OSPF database according to PE1 (Cisco isn't sending much/anything...my
> > >> current goal is for the Cisco to learn what the m10 sends, then I'll
> > >> move on):
> > >>> show ospf database instance sham-link-test
> > >>     OSPF link state database, Area 0.0.0.0
> > >>  Type       ID               Adv Rtr           Seq      Age  Opt  Cksum
> > >  Len
> > >> Router  *172.16.0.2       172.16.0.2       0x80000037   876  0x22
> > 0xfdff
> > >  36
> > >> Router   172.16.0.4       172.16.0.4       0x80000029  1111  0x22
> > 0xa757
> > >  36
> > >> Network  172.16.2.2       172.16.0.4       0x80000022  1372  0x22
> > 0x9a80
> > >  32
> > >>
> > >> OSPF database according to PE2:
> > >>> show ospf database instance sham-link-test
> > >>     OSPF link state database, Area 0.0.0.0
> > >>  Type       ID               Adv Rtr           Seq      Age  Opt  Cksum
> > >  Len
> > >> Router  *172.16.0.1       172.16.0.1       0x80000024  1912  0x22
> > 0x1ef6
> > >  36
> > >> Router   172.16.0.3       172.16.0.3       0x80000425   735  0x22
> > 0xc475
> > >  48
> > >> Network  172.16.1.2       172.16.0.3       0x8000002e   435  0x22
> > 0x7b97
> > >  32
> > >> OpaqArea 1.0.0.1          172.16.0.3       0x80000413  1335  0x22
> > 0xaeea
> > >  28
> > >>     OSPF AS SCOPE link state database
> > >>  Type       ID               Adv Rtr           Seq      Age  Opt  Cksum
> > >  Len
> > >> Extern   172.16.16.0      172.16.0.3       0x80000034  1035  0x22
> > 0xbf33
> > >  36
> > >> Extern   192.168.101.0    172.16.0.3       0x80000036   135  0x22
> > 0xe40a
> > >  36
> > >> (NB: is it normal that the routes PE2 is learning from the m10 are
> > > 'Extern' ?)
> > >> Here is Cisco's current routing table (learning nothing via OSPF):
> > >> lab-2651#sho ip route
> > >> Codes: C - connected, S - static, R - RIP, M - mobile, B - BGP
> > >>        D - EIGRP, EX - EIGRP external, O - OSPF, IA - OSPF inter area
> > >>        N1 - OSPF NSSA external type 1, N2 - OSPF NSSA external type 2
> > >>        E1 - OSPF external type 1, E2 - OSPF external type 2
> > >>        i - IS-IS, su - IS-IS summary, L1 - IS-IS level-1, L2 - IS-IS
> > > level-2
> > >>        ia - IS-IS inter area, * - candidate default, U - per-user
> > static
> > > route
> > >>        o - ODR, P - periodic downloaded static route
> > >>
> > >> Gateway of last resort is not set
> > >>
> > >> C    172.17.0.0/16 is directly connected, FastEthernet0/1
> > >>      172.16.0.0/30 is subnetted, 1 subnets
> > >> C       172.16.2.0 is directly connected, FastEthernet0/0
> > >> C    208.98.239.0/24 is directly connected, FastEthernet0/1
> > >> lab-2651#
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Here is M10's inet.0 routing table:
> > >>> show route
> > >> inet.0: 10 destinations, 10 routes (10 active, 0 holddown, 0 hidden)
> > >> Restart Complete
> > >> + = Active Route, - = Last Active, * = Both
> > >>
> > >> 0.0.0.0/0          *[Static/5] 5w4d 23:37:59
> > >>                       Reject
> > >> 172.16.0.3/32      *[Direct/0] 2w0d 19:06:21
> > >>                     > via lo0.0
> > >> 172.16.1.0/30      *[Direct/0] 21:05:30
> > >>                     > via ge-0/1/0.0
> > >> 172.16.1.2/32      *[Local/0] 21:05:30
> > >>                       Local via ge-0/1/0.0
> > >> 172.16.16.0/24     *[Static/5] 21:02:54
> > >>                       Discard
> > >> 192.168.8.0/24     *[Static/5] 5w4d 23:37:59
> > >>                     > to 192.168.101.252 via fxp0.0
> > >> 192.168.9.0/24     *[Static/5] 5w4d 23:37:59
> > >>                     > to 192.168.101.252 via fxp0.0
> > >> 192.168.101.0/24   *[Direct/0] 5w4d 23:37:59
> > >>                     > via fxp0.0
> > >> 192.168.101.33/32  *[Local/0] 5w4d 23:37:59
> > >>                       Local via fxp0.0
> > >> 224.0.0.5/32       *[OSPF/10] 5w4d 23:38:00, metric 1
> > >>                       MultiRecv
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 05/12/2007, Peter E. Fry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>> From: Daniel Lete <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >>>
> > >>> [...]
> > >>>> In relation to your sham-link. You need a loopback IP
> > >>>> within your VRF to act as  source/destination of the sham
> > >>>> link and these loopbacks are NOT to be announced  to your
> > >>>> CE.
> > >>>  I was going to make that point -- that is, I would not
> > >>> expect to see:
> > >>>
> > >>>> O IA    172.16.0.3/32 [110/11] via 172.16.2.1, 04:31:29,
> > >>> FastEthernet0/0
> > >>>
> > >>> ...(although I could be wrong -- I don't get many looks into
> > >>> CPE).  Also, I'd expect the sham-link neighbor to show up on
> > >>> the PE.  You can see them on Cisco PEs, for instance:
> > >>>
> > >>> CiscoPE#show ip ospf [process] neighbor
> > >>>
> > >>> Neighbor ID     Pri   State           Dead Time   Address
> > >>>     Interface
> > >>> [...]
> > >>> [Remote ID IP]    0   FULL/  -           -        [Remote LB
> > >>> IP]  OSPF_SLn
> > >>> [...]
> > >>> CiscoPE#
> > >>>
> > >>> ...so there's no confusion as to the state of the sham link.
> > >>>  I don't have a Juniper L3 VPN PE or a Cisco CE handy.
> > >>>
> > >>> Peter E. Fry
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
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