Uhm, i see your point here.
We indeed have cisco - cisco - Jun - Jun setup


My cisco interface mtu = ip mtu = mpls mtu =9000
But i reeeealy doubt that bgp keepalive packet size can come close to that mtu.


On Juniper i set interface mtu = cisco mtu +14 and it works fine!
And! As you say, it reports different mpls mtu value:

> show interfaces xe-1/0/0 | match MTU
Link-level type: Ethernet, MTU: 9014, LAN-PHY mode, Speed: 10Gbps, Loopback: None, Source filtering: Disabled,
    Protocol inet, MTU: 9000
    Protocol mpls, MTU: 8988
    Protocol multiservice, MTU: Unlimited


As far as i understand "default mpls mtu" term (not sure that i _fully_ understand it though) it seems, Juniper supposes 3 labels maximum. I dont see any reasons for device to drop packets which has 1 or 2 labels and bigger than mpls mtu, but still ok from interface mtu point ov view.

As per your logic, device should drop all traffic that match such criteria but it seems only bgp session keepalives and i didn't see any other problems



But still, i made an experiment on Juniper and cisco which has bgp session between them.

cisco:
#sh mpls interfaces g 0/0 detail  | i MTU
        MTU = 9000
#sh ip int g 0/0 | i MTU
  MTU is 9000 bytes
#sh run int g 0/0
Building configuration...

Current configuration : 212 bytes
!
interface GigabitEthernet0/0
 description --- to 7606-2 ---
 mtu 9000
 ip address 10.3.13.2 255.255.255.0
 load-interval 30
 duplex full
 speed 1000
 media-type gbic
 no negotiation auto
 tag-switching ip
end


If i set mtu 9000 under family mpls and commit it, it looks like this:

> show interfaces xe-1/0/0 | match MTU
Link-level type: Ethernet, MTU: 9014, LAN-PHY mode, Speed: 10Gbps, Loopback: None, Source filtering: Disabled,
    Protocol inet, MTU: 9000
    Protocol mpls, MTU: 9000
      Flags: Is-Primary, User-MTU
    Protocol multiservice, MTU: Unlimited



and problem still persists



please let me know if you have any other ideas :)



p.s. Its the same effect if i set tag-sw mtu 8988 on cisco and leave it 'default' (=8988) on juniper








Krzysztof Szarkowicz wrote:
Let me guess.

Your network is multivendor network (JNPR and CSCO) and some transit devices 
are CSCO?

CSCO and JNPR uses different algorithm to calculate default MPLS MTU (if MPLS 
MTU is not explicitely
configured) which results in 4 byte difference between CSCO side and JNPR side 
of the same link for
MPLS MTU (the IP MTU is equal on both ends, so no problem with OSPF).

If on JNPR side your MPLS MTU is say 1500 and on the CSCO side the MPLS MTU is 
1504, when the CSCO
device send an BGP update packet towards JNPR device with size 1502, this 
packet is dropped by JNPR
device (as it is to big), and TCP ACK is not sent back. CSCO is keeping by 
resending this 1502 long
packet, and JNPR is constantly dropping. Thus, after hold timer expires, the 
Notification message is
sent.

I assume that with 9.3.R3.8 you didn't catched the '1502' packet sizes.

Could you check with some show commands, what is the MPLS MTU on both ends of 
the link (which is
terminated on CSCO on one side and JNPR on other side)?

//Krzysztof

-----Original Message-----
From: Tima Maryin [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, 11 November, 2009 9:57
To: [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [j-nsp] MX960 JunOS recommendations

What did you mean by "inappropriately configured" ?

There are the same mtu settings everywhere and traffic passes quite well.
And ospf session goes up without problems.

And how comes that "inappropriately configured IP and MPLS MTU" work well on 9.3R3.8 ?


Krzysztof Szarkowicz wrote:
It is not a nasty bug, but problem of inappropriately configured IP and MPLS 
MTUs on transit
nodes.
//Krzysztof

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
Of
Tima Maryin
Sent: Wednesday, 11 November, 2009 8:28
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [j-nsp] MX960 JunOS recommendations

9.3R4.4 has a nasty bug which occures in setup when you have bgp session over chain of few routers/links with ospf/ldp

bgp session occasionally goes down with notification timeout. Even when there is no traffic at all and no physical errors

rollback to 9.3r3 helps though


JTAC still not confirmed it, but it easlily can be reprodused in lab
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