We experienced phantom routing and arp issues as well in the 9 series, but 
10.0s1.1 has been very stable.

-----Original Message-----
From: Cyrill Malevanov [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 10:18 AM
To: Dan Farrell
Cc: Laurent HENRY; [email protected]
Subject: Re: [j-nsp] EX 4200 stability with BGP and OSPF redistribution ?

We have a lot of routing problems on EX4200 VC's. Standalone EX works fine, but 
routing on high loads using VC - is a pain.
Some routing loss, packets loss etc.

Cyrill

On 22.06.2010 17:59, Dan Farrell wrote:
> Not in -this- version 10.0S1.1 .  I sing the praises of the EX series because 
> it fits our needs like a glove and Cisco wants more money for less product. 
> But just 6 months ago it was a little rough because the platform, IMHO, was 
> 'growing up' in the 9.X series. There were some definite operational problems 
> we had on 9.  With 10, aside from great stability, one noticeable difference 
> is interface groups- in our environment (virtualization hosting) this has 
> made configuring the devices significantly easier.

>
> At this point I can't fault them, and we are using 4200 VC stacks to slowly 
> expand our core routing/switching, one chassis at a time (getting ready to 
> add our first third chassis to a stacked core). We may eventually convert to 
> the 8208 platform there, but right now the 4200's price point is so 
> attractive it's hard not to continue in this direction.
>
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Laurent HENRY [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 5:23 AM
> To: Dan Farrell
> Cc: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [j-nsp] EX 4200 stability with BGP and OSPF redistribution ?
>
>
> Thank you !
> No weird bugs encountered ?
>
>
> Le Monday 21 Ju4ne 2010 23:25:13 Dan Farrell, vous avez écrit :
>    
>> We leverage the EX3200 and 4200's extensively in our network, for 
>> edge, core, and access.
>>
>> As far as edge (ISP connectivity) we use EX3200's in pairs- each
>> EX3200 has a separate peer session to each upstream provider, 
>> providing redundancy
>> (high-availability) without merging the two units as one logical unit.
>> This makes zero-downtime maintenance easier at your edge, as 
>> upgrading a stacked chassis involves rebooting all the devices at 
>> once. And they're cheaper than their 4200 counterparts.
>>
>> I'm elated at the 4200's performance in our core- I think what may be 
>> of use to you is a comparison to equivalent Cisco gear- in this light 
>> we just replaced a two-chassis 3750G stack with a two-chassis EX4200 
>> stack (we stack them to take advantage of port densities with 
>> staggered growth in the core), and we are glad we did so.
>>
>> The EX series allows 1000 RVI's and 4k VLANS per virtual chassis- the 
>> Catalyst 3xxx series only actually supports 8 RVI's, and they don't 
>> publish this (you will find it when configuring the profile of the 
>> device). This created a problem with 10 OSPF interfaces (and 15 other 
>> non-OPSF
>> interfaces) on the Cisco. Upon a link-state change on any of the 
>> Cisco's OSPF-configured interfaces, the CPU would crank up to 100% 
>> and the stacked device throughput was ground to a crawl (80%+ traffic 
>> loss). Changing the configuration in the OSPF subsection, elimination 
>> of the problem interface (flapping or not) from the configuration, or 
>> a complete reboot would solve the problem- none of which are 
>> attractive solutions to a problem we shouldn't have been having in the first 
>> place.
>>
>> Compare this to a two-chassis EX4200-48T stack we have in another 
>> part of the network- 13 OSPF interfaces and ~845 other non-OSPF RVI's 
>> , and the stacked device hasn't given us any grief.  They cost us 1/3 
>> less than the Cisco solution, and doubled the port density (the 
>> Ciscos had
>> 24 and the Junipers we got have 48 ports).
>>
>> There are platform limitations, like memory, which may cause you to 
>> be a little more exotic on BGP route selection, but the Catalyst 
>> 3750G's have even less memory as I recall. Overall they have been 
>> extremely good for our network, and have caused me to swear off Cisco 
>> completely.
>>
>> Hope this provides some insight.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected]
>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Laurent 
>> HENRY
>> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 6:29 AM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: [j-nsp] EX 4200 stability with BGP and OSPF redistribution ?
>>
>> Hi all,
>>          I am thinking about using two EX 4200 as redondant border 
>> routers of my main Internet link.
>>
>> In this design, I would then need to use BGP with my ISP and OSPF for 
>> inside route redistribution.
>>
>> Reading the archive, and on my own experience with the product too, i 
>> am looking for feedbacks about stability of this solution with EX.
>>
>> In archives i understood there could have been some huge stability 
>> problems, am i right ?
>>
>> Could things be different with 10.1 JunOS release ?
>>
>> Does anyone actually use these features actively with this platform ?
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
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