Please not reply this post again, since I had already got the warning from Juniper.
Thanks and regards, Xu Hu On 31 Mar, 2012, at 12:33, Ben Dale <[email protected]> wrote: >> I am not saying braindumps are good at all, but... >> >> What engineer when architecting/building/supporting a solution doesn't have >> access to the internet or reference tools? >> > > > I'd hazard a guess that neither Dodo or Telstra engineers were able to google > for help last month : P > > It's Junos - you have the entire command reference built into the OS > > When you know exactly what you're looking for - "help reference ..." > When you only have a rough idea what you're looking for "help apropos ..." > When you have no idea what you're looking for, make a mental note of areas to > study for next time. > > If you are walking into a JNCIE-anything exam not knowing these things > already, then you're probably not ready to be sitting it. > > You also have the PDFs of the Junos manuals available to you. > >> I architect all day long and the Juniper and Cisco websites are my bible >> for product knowledge, features, part numbers, etc etc. > > > These exams aren't designed for "architects", they're for hands-on engineers > - people who need to be able to think under pressure and manage their time > while have a good grasp of the operating system and fundamental protocols. > > The exam won't ask you to design anything, much less ask for a bill of > materials and a quote - the boxes are in place, pre-cabled and physically > inaccessible. > >> It is like an electrician or plumber without their tools... absolutely >> useless. > > I'm going to strongly disagree with you here - if I was paying an > expert-level engineer to urgently fix an issue on my network and they needed > anything more than a terminal app, a console cable and a network diagram, I'd > be looking elsewhere. > >> I would like to see exams include man pages, or at least an approved >> reference book that would let you look up obscure crap you almost never >> need to know off the top of your head. > > > See above > >> Binary<->Hex<->Decimal math... bullshit, I can't believe we're not able to >> use even a calculator these days... even highschool exams allow calculators! > > > The last exam I saw with any sort of conversion on it was the JNCIA-JUNOS - > these are fundamentals every network person should be taught, no exceptions. > > Ben > >> >> On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 23:25, Sascha Luck <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 05:03:54AM -0700, Jared Gull wrote: >>> >>>> I'm with Graham. Sack up and have some integrity, learn the material, and >>>> take the test pass or fail. >>>> >>> >>> of course this is true generally, but the exams are not always >>> very compatible with practical networking experience. Srsly, you need to >>> know every property of every OSPF LSA type or STP BPDU by heart? That's >>> what the Internet is for... >>> I did JNCIS the old-skool way and it was a lot of grinding useless >>> information that I've forgotten again already... >>> >>> rgds, >>> s. >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> juniper-nsp mailing list [email protected] >>> https://puck.nether.net/**mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp<https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> juniper-nsp mailing list [email protected] >> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp >> > > > _______________________________________________ > juniper-nsp mailing list [email protected] > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp _______________________________________________ juniper-nsp mailing list [email protected] https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
