Igor:
Heya. As per the data I found today, could you implement
a check so that Kaboodle skipped the LAN-detection (and hence the
OS classification) process if it detected that the IP address of
the interface matches the IP address of the default gateway.
This might be the best way, for now, of Kaboodle surviving an
AOL-dialup setting.
Once you get that check done, I think we can release
a 0.90 version publically.
I'm also interested in what you think Kaboodle should
do if it detects it has more than one active LAN interface.
Thanks!
-Scott
On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Igor Kotelevsky wrote:
> Hello Scott.
> You wrote:
> > ... It lessens
> > Kaboodle's effectiveness as a network scanner if something joined
> > the LAN and could somehow dodge Kaboodle's detection by causing
> > an exception during OS detection and then hiding as a EF_NID_NONE.
> I restored old code of the function AutoDetectDeviceType()
> without *try-catch* block.
> If any exception will occur at that function,
> then there isn't a way for both
> defending against exception and
> don't hiding a device as an EF_NID_NONE.
> - Igor
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott C. Best" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Igor Kotelevsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: "mailbox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Kaboodle-devel"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 9:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [Kaboodle-devel] Re: Bug Report, 22 July
>
>
> > Igor:
> > Will re-run shortly. A quick comment or two:
> >
> > > The really reason of that crash is unknown for me yet,
> > > but I think that we have to defend Kaboodle against that.
> > > Therefore I have inserted a *try-catch* block into the function
> > > DWORD CSearchNetworkManager::AutoDetectDeviceType(...).
> > > If any exception will occur, and *try-catch* block can intercept it,
> > > then that function will return EF_NID_NONE
> > > and Kaboodle doesn't will add that device into itself.
> > > (Old source code of AutoDetectDeviceType(...) is commented.)
> >
> > Hmmm. I like defending against exceptions, but I like
> > being able to detect all network devices as well. It lessens
> > Kaboodle's effectiveness as a network scanner if something joined
> > the LAN and could somehow dodge Kaboodle's detection by causing
> > an exception during OS detection and then hiding as a EF_NID_NONE.
> >
> > There's *got* to be a way to detect what interfaces a PC
> > is using, and to prevent Kaboodle from running auto-detection on
> > the WAN-side interface.
> >
> > > Also I want to notice following.
> > > The function AutoDetectDeviceType(...) checks type of device
> > > in following sequence: PC, Printer, Macintosh, Appliance.
> > > If all these checks failed, then the function returns the type
> EF_NID_PC.
> > > May be in this point the function have to return EF_NID_NONE?
> >
> > No, it needs to default to EF_NID_PC. The PC detection is
> > really just "Windows detection". If I'm running a *nix machine (Linux,
> > Solaris, BSD, etc), I want the PC icon to come up.
> >
> > -Scott
> >
> > > > Igor:
> > > > Updated, re-run, log files attached. Again, it looks
> > > > like its crashing after successfully discovering something on
> > > > the same subnet. Weird.
> > > >
> > > > -Scott
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, 30 Jul 2002, Igor Kotelevsky wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hello Scott.
> > > > > The log file WithAOL\NidLog.txt (connection via AOL and crash)
> > > > > shows following.
> > > > > The latest 3 strings are next:
> > > > > - StartOSDetection: BEGIN
> > > > > - AutoDetectDeviceType: BEGIN
> > > > > - AutoDetectDeviceType: 172.194.188.224
> > > > > It seems to me that crash has occurred
> > > > > - inwardly to the function
> > > > > DWORD CSearchNetworkManager::AutoDetectDeviceType(...), or
> > > > > - inwardly to some function, which called from
> AutoDetectDeviceType().
> > > > > (The log process is made so that if function ends then we see
> something
> > > > > like
> > > > > - AutoDetectDeviceType: BEGIN
> > > > > ...
> > > > > - AutoDetectDeviceType: END)
> > > > > I have added enhanced information into the file NidLog.txt.
> > > > > Please update latest CVS source and run Kaboodle in debug build.
> > > > > Please send to me NidLog.txt.
> > > > >
> > > > > You wrote:
> > > > > > ...Perhaps the OS detection process is not being bypassed
> correctly?
> > > > > Yes. From above log file I see, that OS detection process starts in
> case
> > > of
> > > > > connection via AOL.
> > > > > I didn't found Kaboodle's source code, which detect a modem.
> > > > > Now I don't know as to detect a modem.
> > > > > I'll try to search that.
> > > > > - Igor
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Scott C. Best" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > To: "Igor Kotelevsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > Cc: "mailbox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Kaboodle-devel"
> > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 8:44 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: Bug Report, 22 July
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Igor:
> > > > > > Hello! I ran the latest CVS code in debug mode on my
> > > > > > Win98 laptop. It crashed whenever I ran it with AOL connected.
> > > > > > The attached zipfile has three log file sets in there.
> > > > > > One with no-AOL and no-LAN connection (no crash), one with
> > > > > > a LAN connection (no crash) and one with AOL (crash). The AOL
> > > > > > case looks like it does in fact start running OS detection.
> > > > > > I know we agreed that the network detection process
> > > > > > should be bypassed when Kaboodle connects to the Internet via
> > > > > > a modem. Perhaps the OS detection process is not being bypassed
> > > > > > correctly?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Scott
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, 29 Jul 2002, Igor Kotelevsky wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hello Scott.
> > > > > > > I don't found any information about error.
> > > > > > > Please update latest CVS source and run Kaboodle in debug build.
> > > > > > > You will find new log file - NidLog.txt.
> > > > > > > Please send that file to me.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The log files vpnsocket1.txt, vpnsocket2.txt now generate in
> > > Kaboodle
> > > > > > > install directory.
> > > > > > > That files appeared in pre-Akmosoft period.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > - Igor
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "Scott C. Best" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > To: "Igor Kotelevsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > Cc: "mailbox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Kaboodle-devel"
> > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 8:32 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Bug Report, 22 July
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Igor:
> > > > > > > > The Kaboodle log files are attached. I didn't even
> > > > > > > > know Kaboodle was generating these. :) Can we write them
> > > > > > > > into the Kaboodle install directory instead of C:\.?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Please let me know what progress you make on this
> > > > > > > > error source. It's holding up the public release of 0.90.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -Scott
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Fri, 26 Jul 2002, Igor Kotelevsky wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hello Scott.
> > > > > > > > > The output files you have attached were really short.
> > > > > > > > > Please attach the Kaboodle's log files vpnsocket1.txt,
> > > > > vpnsocket2.txt.
> > > > > > > > > You can find these files in the directory C:\.
> > > > > > > > > Please remove these files before your test.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The description of "A fatal exception OE" can be finding on
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=/support/windows/topics/error
> > > > > > > > > msg/kbfe0e.asp
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > - Igor
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > From: "Scott C. Best" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > > To: "mailbox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > > Cc: "Kaboodle-devel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 10:57 AM
> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Bug Report, 22 July
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > VK, Igor:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I tested this again tonight. I installed VC++ on my
> > > > > > > > > > poor little Win98 laptop, applied the latest SP5 service
> pack.
> > > > > > > > > > I compiled the latest source, connected to AOL, and
> started
> > > > > > > > > > the debug. Output attached (I don't know why it's so
> short,
> > > > > > > > > > but it is).
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Kaboodle starts, and the "Detecting Network" message
> > > > > > > > > > box comes up. At this point, in my opinion, it should
> detect
> > > > > > > > > > that it's on a modem and give up. It doesn't. About half a
> > > > > > > > > > minute later, "Classifying New Devices" comes up. About 10
> > > > > > > > > > seconds later, Windows then blue screens with the message:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "A fatal exception OE has occurred at 0028:C004A08B in VXD
> > > > > NDIS(01) +
> > > > > > > > > > 00002F1F. The current application will be terminated."
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The second time I tried this, the debug output looks
> > > > > > > > > > like it started the VNC auto-detection before it crashed.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Any advice appreciated.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > -Scott
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 22 Jul 2002, Scott C. Best wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I tested Kaboodle on a un-networked Win98 machine which
> > > > > > > > > > > uses AOL as the dialup ISP. I connected to AOL, then
> started
> > > > > > > > > > > Kaboodle, and it blue-screen'd the PC when it got to the
> > > > > > > > > > > "Classifying Devices" part of startup.
> > > > > > > > > > > Ouch.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Is it possible to restrict network detection to use only
> > > > > > > > > > > LAN-based interfaces, as opposed to modem-interfaces? I
> > > can't
> > > > > > > > > > > imagine that we'd ever want to ping 255 devices on one
> of
> > > AOL's
> > > > > > > > > > > subnets...
> > > > > > > > > > >
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