Jim:
Heya. Thanks for all the usage details: helps me give a
better (I hope) answer.
Right now, Kaboodle's LAN-to-LAN connection features
require that the end users be able to control the settings on
their firewall/router. That is, Kaboodle's LAN-to-LAN capability
has two pieces to it: a control channel, and a data channel.
The control channel uses a client-server connection approach,
like how a web-browser connects to to website (ie, no firewall
adjusts needed on the client side). The data channel of Kaboodle,
however, uses a server-server connection approach, so both sides
of the connection must adjust their firewall to get this part
fully running. So I suspect that your coworkers, being behind a
firewall/router at the hotel, would be unable to get Kaboodle
"fully" connected.
What *should* work for them, though, are any connections
which are client-server. That would include direct VNC'ing where
they startup a VNC viewer and point it to your VNC server (they
now have remote access to your stuff), or they startup a VNC server
and "add client" to your awaiting VNC viewer (you now have remote
access to their stuff). Also, there is one product I know of which
allows for remote-access behind a firewall that you don't control,
and that's GoToMyPC.com's product. It is not free because all data
connections get routed thru their servers, so that all connections
of their end-users appear as client-server connections, which
firewalls are very good at.
Regarding the Zebedee server file, I don't believe you
have to touch it at all. Kaboodle invokes Zebedee with a "behind
the scenes" command-line request that *includes* all of the config
options it needs. I believe that the Zebedee server file is only
consulted if these options are not supplied. In fact, when I test
Kaboodle, I just put the Zebedee.exe file into the same directory
as the Kaboodle.exe file and use it that way, no server file at
all.
Regarding the Partnership files, that system was chosen
specifically for IP address that *do* change a lot. So if you create
a Partnership today, the file should enable you to connect with your
Partner regardless of what their IP address becomes in the future.
The idea is that if Kaboodle cannot find your partner at the last
IP addresses it found them at, it goes into a "search mode" where
it literally does a Gnutella search for your partner's Partnership
file. If it finds that file, it's then found the IP address of your
partner and it connects. There's a bug in 0.99 between the handoff
between "direct mode" and "search mode" that we're chasing down,
but once it gets into search mode, the process is pretty sound.
Lastly, regarding ports and firewalls, yes: both firewalls
need to be allowing incoming TCP-4182 (control channel) and incoming
TCP-11965 9data channel) to the Kaboodle PC's you want to GetEngaged.
Once engaged, file transfer will work exactly like it does if you
were doing file-transfer on the same LAN. Also, yes: that 11965
number is the Zebedee default, and you can easily change that to
use whatever port you want. Just open the Property Panel for the
GetEngaged service icon, clicks on the "Settings" tab, and put in
another number in the section talking about the Zebedee port number.
For instance, since you have TCP-5500 opened (for VNC server "add
client" mode connections), you can put 5500 in here if you're not
currently using VNC.
Hope that helps somewhat. I too am looking forward to the
KaboodlePro "hub" solution: in that model, all of your remote workers
can connect with each other *via* your server. So all connections
for them appear as client-server, very much like how GoToMyPC.com's
system appears. The difference being, of course, the data never
leaves your control. Which I think matters. :)
cheers,
Scott
On Thu, 27 Feb 2003, Jim McCabe wrote:
> Scott,
> Ah, that is right. I don't believe I have been able to initiate a
> connection from my LAN. I have been testing with some coworkers at a
> remote jobsite using their hotel LAN. They cannot open ports on their
> router/gateway but they have been able to connect with kaboodle and with
> VNC stand alone using add new client.
>
> I opened ports 4182, 4183 and 5500(VNC) on my gateway. However,
> sometimes they can connect, sometimes they can't. I can't figure it out
> yet. It may have something to do with the Zebedee server file. I did
> edit it because, well, it said I had to!!! But, I am pretty sure that I
> only worked on the VNC ports / portion of that file.
>
> If you decide to include IP or FQDN address field, why don't you think
> about adding a delete feature for the partnership files on the website
> or at least the ability to create (overwrite) a new file. The reason I
> say that is because I work with a couple of people that travel a lot.
> Even though Kaboodle searches for the partnership/registration files, we
> may never use the same IP address again that we used to create our files
> with.
>
> Do both firewalls need to be open for the file transfer feature? If the
> router at the hotel needs to be open, that would present an issue. I do
> remember seeing an email archive regarding the ports. Do I need to open
> port 11965 exactly or can I use another port that is open?
>
> [snip]
> From: Scott C. Best
> Subject: Re: [Kaboodle-user] running kaboodle as a service
> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:52:23 -0800
>
> 3. Open TCP ports 4182 and NNNN on your firewall and forward
> those ports to the two Kaboodle PC's. "NNNN" is whatever
> you want it to be; it defaults to the Zebedee default port
> of 11965. You'll see where to adjust it in the VPN Service
> icon. Just don't pick a TCP port that your PC is already
> using for something else. :)
> [snip]
>
>
> Your idea of a 'hub' like system would work well in a lot of situations.
> I would like to see that implimented.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott C. Best [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 12:08 PM
> To: Jim McCabe
> Cc: 'Amilcar Zozaya'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [Kaboodle-user] Hi! Somebody out there?
>
>
> Jim:
> Heya. Yeah, I noticed that too: sometimes during testing
> we can initiate a VPN connection only from one side, but not the other.
> I'm going to change the mechanics of getting connected for the 1.0
> version to enable a more robust connection scheme, including a IP or
> FQDN address field for fallback.
>
> Once a GetEngaged connection is running, though, I've
> had no trouble doing a file-transfer from one Kaboodle instance to
> another. You shouldn't have to touch the default Zebedee settings at
> all: just install that utility on both ends of the connection, poke a
> hole in any firewalls (the Zebedee default port is TCP-11965), and it'll
> work. The only time I've seen it not work is when the control-channel
> (setup by Kaboodle) is active, but the data-channel (setup by Zebedee)
> isn't.
>
> One thing I'm going to keep looking into is enabling
> Kaboodle GetEngaged connections when only *one* side has the firewall
> setup correctly. That'll make it a lot easier. If it's doable, then the
> KaboodlePro version can support a "hub" like system, where user-A and
> user-B (who run the base version of
> Kaboodle) can now see each other *via* user-C (who runs the KaboodlePro
> version). In this model, only user-C needs to get their firewall
> settings "right", everyone else can just connect as easily as pointing a
> browser at a webpage.
>
> I'll keep you posted of the bug-fix version of 0.99.
> My main developer's down with the flu right now, so we're a little
> behind schedule.
>
> -Scott
>
>
>
> On Thu, 27 Feb 2003, Jim McCabe wrote:
>
> > Scott,
> > So far it looks good.
> >
> > I am interested in more content. Specifically, the set up of
> > Kaboodle. So far, it has been hit or miss with me regarding remote
> > connections. Sometimes, I can't connect at all. And, I have never
> > been able to send a file yet. This leads me to believe that
> > somewhere, something is not set correctly. It may be the relationship
>
> > with ZeBeDee which leads me to sift through the documentation on the
> > ZeBeDee site. I'm still working that issue.
> >
> > I do like the fact that you are working on a chat feature through
> > Kaboodle as well.
> >
> > Take care,
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott
> > C. Best
> > Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 10:59 PM
> > To: Amilcar Zozaya
> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [Kaboodle-user] Hi! Somebody out there?
> >
> >
> > Amilcar:
> >
> > Heya. I updated the first 3 pages of Kaboodle's Help section,
> plus
> > the FAQ page, this weekend. Getting the snapshots takes more time than
>
> > I thought...
> > Anyhow, any feedback on the content thus far is
> > appreciated: Not enough content? More topics? Something else?
> >
> > thanks,
> > Scott
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 19 Feb 2003, Amilcar Zozaya wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Hi folks. I downloaded the app. I want to connect two remote lans
> > > using kaboodle. I'm done with the documentation, but something's
> > > wrong... there're missing things at the web site like "things
> > > kaboodle
> >
> > > can do".
> > >
> > > The help file seems to be unfinished too... I'd appreciate some help
> >
> >
> >
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