https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=508196
--- Comment #56 from pallaswept <[email protected]> --- (In reply to gggeri91 from comment #54) > So can we have an option to tell Dolphin to create new folder in the root of > the tree which is visible wen the CTRL+SHIFT+N keyboard shortcut is used? I > guess that should be no problem for such an advanced file explorer program > like Dolphin. The devs said in the thread you linked, that they didn't want to make an option for this - and that's with good reason. It's easy to end up with an unmanageable amount of things to toggle. I only see one reason to need an option here: Explorer users refuse to change their usage to include clicking in the right place. They insist that they should be able to click the wrong thing, and the app should ignore it, but only in this case of subfolder creation, because that's what they are accustomed to. If the devs decide it's a good idea to make an option for that, I'm all for it. I like to imagine they know better than most of us, what works. But I can't help but think that users learning how to drive this new type of vehicle, would be a better way, than having a "make my racecar stop being so fast" button. > users of the "Icons" and "Compact" view would appreciate that. > At least I don't give a damn about the "Details" tree view, but hey, that is > just me. The same logic also applies to those views. In those views, you can't *see* the subfolders, but you can still click on a visible folder in this view, to select it as the target for your operation, and the operation should still occur on that folder. Just like it would if you clicked it and hit F2 or del, it should rename or delete that selected folder; if you hit ctrl+shift+n, it should create a new folder in that selected folder. You're hitting a keyboard shortcut/clicking a toolbar button/using a context menu, to tell the machine "Do *this* stuff", and you select the item to tell the machine "When you do stuff, do it to *that* thing". Attaching images to hopefully describe this better. You will notice that if you try this in Explorer, it does not work like this, because Explorer is inferior and inconsistent. You will get a delete and a rename entry in the context menu, but no 'New' entry to create a folder. However, if you click the empty space, it works the same in both Explorer and dolphin (In reply to emanon from comment #55) > One does not need to click on the wrong folder, just navigate the file tree > with a keyboard Irrelevant. Mouse, keyboard, footswitch, thumbstick, eye tracker, voice control, script or otherwise, the selection made by the operator, is the selection, which is the target for operations. By whatever means you do it, if you select the folder and create a new folder, it should happen in the folder you selected, because that's what the selection means. Just like how if you select a folder and hit del or F2. If the operator selects the wrong folder, that's not Dolphin's fault. > in a way how every single other file-manager works Scroll up. I've murdered this flawed argument enough times that it's clear that anyone still repeating it is just trolling. How every other file manager works has zero to do with this aside from that it's obviously the source of some bad habits and false expectations. > KDE Plasma this results in the creation of numerous sub-folders inside some > folder or other, resulting in guesswork and wasted time cleaning up the > mess. That's not Plasma (or Dolphin) doing that. There's no "guesswork", it's not "some folder or other", it happens where the operator told it to. > It makes zero sense to break user expectations and burden them with more > work. Unless their expectation is the problem and the cause of their extra work, in which case changing those expectations is the obvious solution. And regardless of what the user expected, the dialog directly tells them exactly what they got, so it comes as no surprise that they've done it wrong. > KDE/Plasma could try to educate users to do it "the way some developer > thinks this should work". Let's not play this off as what it isn't, that's disingenuous. This is not "the way some developer thinks this should work" this is more like "the way EVERY developer EVER has said it should work, and how it does work, EVERYWHERE, including Windows and Explorer". This is a 50+year old UI paradigm that works everywhere and works great. You select the stuff, you do a thing, means you're doing the thing to that stuff. Simple. How many of you have filed a bug report against Explorer that you can't right-click a folder and get a 'New...' submenu? Or that if you browse to it by keyboard and hit the app menu key, that isn't an option, or that if you select a folder and hit the new keybind (ctrl+shift+n) to create a folder, it ignores your selection? And yet it behaves as normal when you do something like F2 to rename or del to delete. That's the place where the UI paradigm is broken. Not here. Yet, here you are. If you say to your Uncle today at Christmas lunch, "Pass the salt" then you've selected the salt. If he passes the salt, you don't complain that he should have passed the pepper. Maybe you wanted pepper, maybe you meant pepper, maybe you expected pepper, but you said salt. Maybe you meant to create the folder in the view directory, so you should have selected it. If you didn't, and you selected some other directory, that's not dolphin's fault. > But honestly, I moved away from the other > distributions (which mainly use Gnome) to KDE-Neon exactly *because* I have > more choices I mean I have the choice to eat dirt but I won't blame the grass for how it tastes. I'm still waiting for even one single one of you to "Oh whoops, that was pilot error, I could solve this by just like, stop doing it wrong". The fact that hasn't even come into consideration says a lot. It's the festive season guys, don't you have something better to do? Family? Friends? Dance party? Drinking alone? Church? Volunteering to feed hungry kids? I have a legit excuse to be here, I physically can't get up and go touch grass and I've got the same trolls spamming my inbox with the same arguments that were crushed months ago. If you're not as crippled as me, you've got better things to be doing right now. Go enjoy stuff and let others do the same. The bug will be here next year. And those same arguments will still be wrong, so leave them in the dust where I put them. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
