El Dimarts, 30 de desembre de 2014, a les 19:45:51, Boudewijn Rempt va escriure: > On Tue, 30 Dec 2014, Albert Astals Cid wrote: > > - For Krita: open source digital painting | Accelerate Development [3] > > > > Sometimes that projects that have had project specific fundraisers request > > funds from the KDE eV to run a sprint. > > > > KDE eV funds are not unlimited, so for me sometimes it seems that those > > projects are being a bit unfair to the rest by running their own > > fundraisers and then also asking for money from the common pot. > > I've been expecting this, and in fact, I've been facing that idea already > in 2014: KDE e.V. could not help out with the siggraph presence of Krita.
Because there's a limited amount of money KDE eV has, do you think it makes KDE eV happy it couldn't help there? > We still did provide publicity for KDE, by prominently display KDE's logo > in the booth and on the leaflets we were handing out, which could be > considered really valuable for KDE, especially since we were reaching a > set of people who, if they had heard of KDE before at all, were pretty > much uniformly negative towards KDE, and now they got some positive > impressions. In other words, Krita sponsored KDE e.V. in this case. Cool :) Given that Krita is a KDE project, i'd expect this is natural. > Also keep this in mind: Krita's fundraisers are not meant to provide for > the usual costs any KDE project faces: they are meant to pay for > development time, something KDE e.V. cannot do. This is a misconception, there's nothing in the KDE eV bylaws that forbid it to pay for development time, it's just something it has decided not to do. > Asking for Krita to pay > for sprints means asking the Krita Foundation to cut down on support for > development. > > Finally, I understand the reaction -- oooh, look, they got _20k euros! > they are rich! I understand that it makes some people feel that those 20k > were a loss for KDE e.V. It's not true, because doing fund-raising isn't a > zero-sum game, and different projects are targeting different audiences. > The money is used for different purposes. Money raised by Krita is not > money lost by KDE e.V., it is not money stolen by Krita from KDE e.V. > 'common pot'. Krita is not double-dipping in the same moneybag. You say that fund raising is not a zero-sum game, that's right, and that's the reason why i said "some percentage" should be payed by the "specificly raised funds" and not 100%. > And compared to the cost of developing Krita, 20k just a bagatelle. To > keep Krita moving as fast as in 2014, I need about 10k a month. Which is > an extremely cheap and non-commercial estimate. I don't think you have to convince anyone in this list that software development is expensive. I don't think you're asking for the KDE eV to fund salaries for the hundreds of developers, translators, artists, we have either. > And moreover, I don't have 10k a month : which is why I asked Intel, KDE > e.V. and others to support Krita's stand at Siggraph (and promised > exposure in return) and KDE e.V. to support our sprint in Deventer (which > was further supported by me personally, taking care of accomodation in my > own place). > > If asking for that sort of support is 'a bit unfair', then how long until > using KDE's infrastructure is considered 'a bit unfair' for projects that > manage to get some funding? Especially when a project like Krita is a > relatively _heavy_ burden on the infrastructure, which I totally admit. Given we don't pay our sysadmins, i'd say the monetary burden Krita brings us is not really that big to be honest. > This is a big discussion, and I am not sure I want to be a real part of > that discussion: when I was approached by the board about the thorny > question of what to do now that KDE project has some money of its own that > wasn't coming to the KDE e.V., I had to beg for more time and a > postponement of the discussion until 2015. > > After all, I am on the dole now, because right now, nobody can afford to > pay for my work on Krita development, and I need to get 2.9 released. I'm sorry nobody can pay your Krita time. > Until that's fixed, I guess that I'll go on expecting KDE e.V. to continue > to support Krita, a KDE project, with the usual support extended to every > other KDE project. Well, we're discussing this right now right here, if you decide to abstain for the discussion then later you can't complain if you don't like the results :) Cheers, Albert > > Boudewijn > _______________________________________________ > kde-community mailing list > kde-community@kde.org > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community _______________________________________________ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
