El Dimarts, 30 de desembre de 2014, a les 23:07:55, Boudewijn Rempt va 
escriure:
> On Tue, 30 Dec 2014, Albert Astals Cid wrote:
> >> This needs to be very clear, or otherwise all discussion is useless: a
> >> KDE
> >> project doing a fund raiser does not steal money from KDE e.V.
> > 
> > Obviously it does not steal money from our bank.
> > 
> > Again, are you saying that there's noone in the world that will think "I
> > already donated to this Okular fundraiser this year so i am not going to
> > donate to the general KDE fundraiser"?
> 
> I am saying that this is a fallacy that KDE e.V. should not base its
> policy on. You've made this point before, and it just doesn't work that
> way -- if you do fund-raising, you create your story, you do your
> publicity, your work, you get or fail to get your funding, and whether or
> not anyone else who is known to the people _you_ know are doing a fund
> raiser is irrelevant. You don't build policy on "you did a fund-raiser,
> too, so I got less money, so give me money!"

I did not suggest at any point that "you" should give "me" any money. (Note 
this is your words with "you" and "me", i've never made this about any 
specific project nor person).

> That's so extremely basic that I have no idea how to start explaining this
> in a more clear way, so here's a question:
> 
> You mentioned
> 
> "You say that fund raising is not a zero-sum game, that's right, and
> that's the reason why i said "some percentage" should be payed by the
> "specificly raised funds" and not 100%."
> 
> in your other answer to a mail of mine. That basically boils down to
> imposing a KDE e.V. tax to projects in the KDE community that raise funds
> for their project.

How would the KDE e.V. impose any tax?

> Is that your own idea, or does that reflect the trend of thought of the
> board?

This is not my idea nor the boards idea, this is something Mario brought up 
and i decided to explore, i can tell you i may not even be in favor of it, i'm 
just opening it up for dicussion since i think it's an interesting discussion 
to have.

> Ultimately, the answer to that question, of whether KDE will impose a
> fund-raising tax, forbid fund-raising, keep supporting projects that do
> fund-raising or do something else I cannot think of now will determine,
> will be vital. It'll mean projects will have to start do sums,
> cold-heartedly.

I don't see how the KDE eV would nothing but encourage people to get more 
funding, but i obviously can't speak for a organization as big as the KDE eV 
is.

> But, to come back to the beginning: your contention that KDE e.V is
> missing out on money because people donating to Okular aren't donating to
> KDE e.V. is bogus. It's household economics: my living-in kid is earning
> some extra money in their saturday job in a shop, so they should start
> paying rent. It's not real-world economics.

Your living-in kid is earning money now, are you still paying for everything 
they need as you did before they had a job? Or maybe you're just paying some  
percentage and he pays the rest?

To repeat my original proposal in case it was misunderstood; I am suggesting 
that it may make sense that projects that run their own fundraisers should 
share the cost of sprints since they're generating their own income.

> Projects that raise money for development are making KDE bigger.

As said in the paragraphs above, i don't think anybody would disagree with 
this, but can't speak for everybody.

Cheers,
  Albert
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