On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Dweeble <[email protected]> wrote: > On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 06:36:48 -0500, Laszlo Papp <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Martin Klapetek >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Anyone btw. knows how the Ubuntu instance at askubuntu.com fits in? >> >> >> It is part of the Stack Exchange system. You can easily check it by >> going to a Stack Exchange account that has subaccounts on multiple >> sites including AU. The "subdomains" are listed at the top of left an >> account. Furthermore, the Stack Exchange logo is even in the "banner" >> on the top left of the cover page for AU. >> >>> I wonder if it is hosted by Canonical or just by SE Inc. and running >>> on its own domain...and if Ubuntu people got more power in the moderation >>> and stuff. >> >> >> Well, surely, they are slightly more empowered on a separate site, but >> in the end of the day, as Omar also wrote, the big boss is Stack >> Exchange. I want KDE to be the big boss for a KDE project. I really do >> not want to compromise that. >> >>> >>> Cheers >>> -- >>> Martin Klapetek | KDE Developer >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> kde-community mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community >> >> _______________________________________________ >> kde-community mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community > > > I don't see where this is so much better than what exists - to me it looks > like a forum without sub-forums, where (at least on the LO and Ubuntu sites) > not that many people vote and "answers" are basically posts.
Sorry, but this is simply not true. You can say that questions and answers, with comments left around, look like forum, but that is not the intended goal of these Q/A sites. I personally do not like the end resulf of the forums. There is a lot of messy noise left around for the posterity. It is a bit challenging to go through all the posts and grab the important bits. It is possible, but it is not ideal. Now, coming back to your observation, if that is what you observed on SE, that is sad. I have seen it many times myself, too, though that noisy comments are left around, which were useful for the time, but not after submitting the "final" answer. On the contrary, forum is more like a different form of mailing list or IRC for me, where the discussion can be publicly pinned down. But that is quite different from only concentrating on the "end result". > And > surprisingly considering the size of the Ubuntu community there aren't as > many answers as I would have expected. Fair enough and that is not just the AU community. It is an overall issue for many technology areas on SE. > I would think making the existing facilities better would be more cost/labor > efficient and imo and what would be a worthy goal in supporting the > community would be is to provide responses to all questions asked on the > Forum, if one looks at the number of unanswered questions that number should > not be considered acceptable. Yes, I agree. There is also the thing that the LaTeX Stack Exchange and latex-community.org experts say: you cannot answer every questions either if many questions are very low quality. Stack Exchange is a commercial entity with closed source software (although "open" database to be fair) and their own business model. I do not think it is inline with KDE's vision, but the KDE community may disagree with me, for sure. Either way, Stack Exchange has been known among many experts that it would mostly concentrate on quantity to sell to their customers. They can show all the fancy stats to their customers that "we have now X million questions, etc". This is one of their policy decisions which, while I respect, I do not agree with. Let me please get back a bit to the "First Google results are Stack Exchange results, beating even the official documentations, so it must be really cool". To make my opinion clear and explicit, I think it is disadvantageous that Stack Exchange is indexed that well on Google. It is leading towards the "vendor lock-in" mode for the Q/A world and if someone tries to get out of that, that person would be always told off by this argument. In fact, I would honestly suggest Google to find a better algorithm to avoid this situation, but I understand it may not be in Google's best interest. Also, it is quite inconvenient to find Stack Exchange results at times on the top if they are not good enough and e.g. the official documentation is good enough. In those cases, it is a pity that the official documentation or something better than Stack Exchange answers is not on the top... A good example would be an expert's blog. I trust and truly believe that the free software world needs to challenge Stack Exchange to avoid vendor lock-in by non-free software for a very important use case. > > Google01103 (I hang at the Forum occasionally) > > > _______________________________________________ > kde-community mailing list > [email protected] > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community _______________________________________________ kde-community mailing list [email protected] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
