On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Myriam Schweingruber <myr...@kde.org> wrote: > Wow, over 150 mails over that whole Github stuff, I am amazed. > > Let me chime in to give you a non-developer perspective: Caveat: some > strong language ahead, but please take all this with a grain of salt > :) > > Some of you wanted the mirror on Github because apparently there are > developers out there who are too lazy (or too dumb) to learn to use > new tools. Are those developers we want? >
It's not about them being lazy or too dumb. It's about motivation. If I see a typo or minor problem in Gnome, and I can easily just fix it with the tools I know, it's a 1 minute detour. If I need to create a new account, and learn a new set of tools, I won't bother. The end result is that the contribution gets lost. > Some now start arguing (despite the clear statement from the start > that we will NOT accept pull-requests) to have an opt-in possibility > for some, because those people on Github are too lazy (and maybe > dumb!) to learn to use Reviewboard or Differential. Do we really want > people like those? > I most certainly want all users who are willing to contribute. > I heard people complaining about how reviewboard is difficult to use, > then why can I, as a non-developer use it within minutes, just by > reading instructions and thinking logically? Shouldn't all software > developers be capable of that? > Again, capability has nothing to do with. > I hear now the same messages from some: "Oh no, we are so used to > reviewboard, why do we have to learn something new and apparently > complicated to use!" what I read again here between the lines is "I am > too lazy to learn to use Differential!", which is a matter of 2 > minutes apparently, I just tried it, it's really easy and I am NOT a > developer. So why can I, a dumb translator who is an extremely crappy > coder, do this and not you smart developers? > Again, not a question of intelligence. > I remember people who were (and still are) core developers complaining > they were too old to learn to use git which is so complicated. Guess > what? I use git, and it really is easy, as there is a ton of > documentation out there and one doesn't use a bazillion of commands in > everyday use, maybe 10 at most. If somebody now would tell you they > can't learn git because it is too complicated, what would you answer? > Would you really want to collaborate with such a person? > Not as a rule, but yes I still would like to collaborate. > In essence: we should stop that whole discussion which is simply the > result of laziness on our behalf, because: > > You are developers, you learn new things every day (if not, I am > worried), you are able to read documentation, you are able to find it > without having to "ask for guidance" like a lazy student who has not a > clue about coding, you are capable of using free tools for Free > Software, because that is why we are all here: because we make Free > Software! > Exactly we're here to make free software. Not to make others to agree with all our ideals, and force them to change. > > Giving in to commodity and laziness in Free Software development is a > bad thing, because it dilutes the idea of what Free Software is. So > please everybody, rethink about our values and stop that silly thread > about why or why not or how we should use a proprietary tool, because > that is what Github is: proprietary, and we don't want that in Free > Software! > I most certainly do want to use some parts of GitHub. Just as I want windows, osx, coverity, intel's proprietary tools and opendesktop (gasp!). > > Regards, Myriam > > PS. Don't get me started about my use of gmail, please, I am deeply > ashamed about it and apparently too lazy to change... but I will reuse > Kmail again as soon as it stops eating my mail every time I filter > something and when Akonadi stops filling up my hard disk and memory > and... etc. etc. Promised!) > There are other alternatives - Trojita, Thunderbird, Evolution, Kolab, etc. -- Vishesh Handa _______________________________________________ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community