Dear Eike, On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 7:33 PM, Eike Hein <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > On 04/27/2016 03:20 AM, Laszlo Papp wrote: > >> Given how respected, appreciated and well-used Thunderbird has been in >> my experience, including industrial environments (only dream for certain >> KDE subprojects?), I would suggest having a bit more good faith at this >> point. Such early conclusions have been brought up about the Qt >> framework as well after the Nokia decline. I am now being told that the >> Qt business has been doing really well instead. >> > > I'm not saying Thunderbird doesn't have users at present. I'm > saying its usage numbers have failed to translate to a revenue > stream or an excess of manpower; problems severe enough its > original parent organization has struggled to keep it going. > * As I know, there was some decline in the payment of Kubuntu developer(s) by Canonical, too. * KO Gmbh could not continue its operation either as hoped for. * How about the business behind Plasma Mobile that AS was trying to establish? (This is really not about blaming any of the participants. I am really happy and grateful that they have all tried to do their best for this community!) These are just three examples of those that I am aware of. I could provide more if needed, but I am not sure revenue defines a KDE project or some support withdrawn behind a project. It is in my understanding neither in the manifesto, nor the vision. I would even go further claiming that many (most?) KDE projects have never made it to that level, so for me, Thunderbird as a project is something to look upon even if it is currently having issues to be resolved. On top of that, it's facing immense technological challenges in > the relatively near future that will make it harder, not easier > to develop further. > > Thunderbird joining KDE.org would require us to invest > resources (monetary, but also the time and motivation of e.g. > our sysadmins and our board). Can we recoup those? Why us if > others could not? > Would it be possible for you to give a rough estimate with concrete numbers so that we can better understand the impact? As I know, a couple of years ago, the sysadmins were processing the infrastructure set up quite quickly. They had done an excellent job at this. I understand your concern of for instance migrating bugreports, but do they really have to be, at least right away? I believe the monetary issues could be discussed for KDE as a whole. I am not sure that they are only relevant for one or two particular subprojects. For instance, Thunderbird could also do its own fundraising relying on the success of that to a great extent. (By the way, I am now writing writing these lines as a non-thunderbird user before claiming any bias. I am still a happy mutt user. :-) ) Best Regards, Laszlo Papp > Best Regards, >> Laszlo Papp >> > > Cheers, > Eike > _______________________________________________ > kde-community mailing list > [email protected] > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community >
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