Le 22/05/2023 à 10:24, Ben Cooksley a écrit :
On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 10:05 AM argonel <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sun, May 21, 2023 at 3:12 PM Ben Cooksley <[email protected]>
wrote:
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> On Sun, May 21, 2023 at 10:42 PM Christian (Fuchs)
<[email protected]> wrote:
>> Bouncer wise: 30 connections isn't exactly none, especially if
that contains
>> active people. These would be forced to migrate to a service
(and register at
>> such) which is not under KDEs control and, as far as I am
aware, has a
>> mandatory registration. As far as memory serves some
communities, e.g. I
>> think krita, still had active devs / maintainers on IRC.
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>
> Yes, there is a cost-benefit analysis to all services we run
however - and if there is a minimal number of people benefiting
from it, sometimes it is time to retire a service.
>
> Note that the 30 I quoted was a count of TCP connections - so
included inbound and outbound links.
> The number of connected clients is much, much smaller - so it is
possible there are some IRC connections still active for people
that are no longer around, or who have moved to Matrix and not
deactivated the BNC.
I would argue that the low usage is in part due to lack of awareness.
It has a one-line mention on the "Internet Relay Chat" community wiki
page (which wasn't added until 2019) that doesn't even explain the
benefits of using it.
IRC in combination with the BNC is much more suited to intermittent
usage than Matrix is, which currently obligates the user to "be
active" every 30 days, or risk (permanently!) losing access to the
entirety of the history of all of their joined channels (even the
parts for which they were present). The BNC happily buffers the text
until your client is able to reconnect. As an example, this allowed me
to read discussions that happened while I endured an extended power
outage, even when Matrix had decided that I was idle for "too long".
Not sure what the bots do on the IRC side, but this kicking due to
inactivity is actually due to IRC and the bridging between it and Matrix.
It isn't an issue of Matrix itself as a protocol / software stack - it
is a limitation imposed on the Matrix side to help Libera.chat with
connection load.
So instead of shuttering the service, I recommend that more attention
be drawn to it.
There are currently 114 people registered to use the BNC, so
it appears to be rather well known among our community members.
The decline in it's usage has correlated rather well with the rise of
Matrix, so it appears that those that favour a BNC type experience
find Matrix works just as well / better.
Thanks,
Ben
Hello,
This conversation made me realize I still had BNC activated for my
account, despite not connecting to IRC anymore for long (and to matrix
neither recently, my participation is rather on pause for the moment).
It is not clear on the BNC UI, nor on community wiki, how to close the
account. I just unregistered libera from BNC, but don't see how to
completely close the service for me?
Thanks again for taking care of all these services!
Vincent
