On 30/05/2013, at 8:36 AM, Albert Astals Cid wrote: > El Dijous, 30 de maig de 2013, a les 03:53:00, Vishesh Handa va escriure: >> Hey Albert >> >> Soprano usually has an exception to this rule, just like Akonadi. Can/Does >> this exception extend to the Shared Desktop Ontologies as well? > > Sincerely, i'd like to have less exceptions not more, in my opinion we > shouldn't give soprano nor akonadi that exception either, it just goes to > increase the false impresion that those are "kdelibs-only software".
I agree entirely, Albert. For many years now, as an app developer, I have struggled through build after build of SDO, Soprano and a long list of dependencies that come after *them*, just to get the latest kdelibs with which to build my apps. > Besides as a regular user having our latest releases depend on bleeding edge > soprano, akonadi and SDO is a pain, I don't want to be forced to build a new > soprano to build kdelibs or nepomuk. > > That coupling we have in that area worries me a bit, are APIs and/or > behaviour > changing that much in those libraries that we absolutely need to use a > library > released the same day to make sure it works? > > We have an Okular that builds against poppler 0.12 and up, that's 6 major > versions, obviously you don't get all the new features if you use an old > poppler, but stuff still works. > > Of course this is a rant, your question can only be answer with a "sure, why > not", since you obviously realized that you totally need something that's not > there on old SDO and you don't have a release yet. Rant away, I applaud. From my POV you are merely criticising poor design. Nowadays I am on Apple. Life is much quieter and I can save a lot of time on builds. OTOH, the Macports developers, who put Qt and kdelibs together for me and othere users of Open Source, complain loud and often about the problems KDE poses. Words like "heap of s---" have been known to be used. This does no credit to KDE's image. It is ridiculous that a tiny standalone KDE app requires all this heavy iron before it will run, not because it is using any of it, but because building kdelibs drags it all in: Rasqal, Raptor, Rasputin, you name it … :-) It makes KDE software onerous to install on Apple (and maybe Windows too), so Open Source users on Apple tend to avoid KDE software if they can. All the best, Ian W. >> On 25 May 2013 18:20, "Albert Astals Cid" <aa...@kde.org> wrote: >>> Dependency freeze for 4.11 releases is in 4 days (May 29th), please be >>> sure you update all the needed dependencies before that date. >>> >>> Notorious dependencies we might want to discuss: >>> * kde-runtime depends on kdelibs 4.10.0 (4.9.95) >>> * kde-baseapps depends on kdelibs 4.10.2 >>> * kde-workspace depends on kdelibs 4.9.4 >> Visit http://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-devel#unsub to unsubscribe <<
