Hi,

2014-03-08 4:38 GMT+01:00 Ian Wadham:
> On 07/03/2014, at 9:29 PM, Jos Poortvliet wrote:
>> The first beta of our applications and platform 4.13 is out. There are some
>> major changes, the introduction of Baloo being first and foremost among them.
>>
>> But there is more. We (the promo team) would like to write an article to ask
>> our community to help test this release and we'd appreciate it if you could
>> tell us WHAT exactly could use some extra testing!
>
> While we are on the topic of testing, how much testing is done of
> KDE's cross-platform and cross-desktop implementations?

Unless the people who prepare the Mac packages test them, the only
testing is done by you and by other users, most of whom unfortunately
seem to be either unable or unwilling to file useful bug reports and
help to debug the problems.

> Just in the last week I have seen cases of a guy on Apple OS X who could
> not build kde4-baseapps

Which version of kde-baseapps? Has this guy filed a bug report?

> On Apple OS X, with which I am familiar, the Macports guys do
> a great job of porting and distributing KDE libraries and apps,
> but several apps are severely broken.  On my own system, I have
> built Dolphin, but it crashes before showing any window.

Never ever talk about bugs in applications without mentioning the
version please. There was a Dolphin crash on MacOS some time ago which
could be fixed because Gilles Caulier and Kurt Hindenburg helped to
debug it and tested a patch:

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=316209
https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/111182/

If you see a crash in a more recent version, we would like to know about it.

>  I cannot tell you why, because Dr Konqui does not work either ... :-(

I hope you know how to get a backtrace on MacOS.

> This sort of thing does discredit to KDE, which contains many
> fine apps and utilities and is a fine desktop on its home turf, in
> Linux.  But in the Apple environment, when discussing KDE
> apps, I have even seen 4-letter words bandied about ... :-(
>
> Maybe it is time some KDE guys had a joint sprint with Apple and
> Windows guys and got to the bottom of such problems.

No, it's time that KDE users on Mac learn that the software can only
improve if they tell the developers (most of them do not work on MacOS
at all) about any problems and help to debug them.

If that is not possible, then we should seriously consider dropping
MacOS support IMHO, to prevent further discredit being done to KDE.

> And it would be nice to have some regular testing ... :-)

I understand that quite a bit of regular testing is being done by you
and your friends. However, testing that just results in people
complaining instead of helping to fix the problems is a huge waste of
time.

Cheers,
Frank

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