On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: > Mark Knecht posted on Tue, 07 Feb 2012 09:46:27 -0800 as excerpted: > >> After updating to KDE-4.7.4 one of my machines, when exiting KDE at the >> end of the day during a shutdown, so KDE is gone but X hasn't shut off >> yet, I'm now seeing a black background with a dialog window that just >> says : >> >> 'Unknown error' >> >> The title on the dialog box says only 'Fetch job error', or at least >> that's my guess. The box is not resizable and I cannot see anything to >> the right off 'err..' >> >> From Googling around it seems to be a moderately common problem. >> Generally people seem to think it points at akonadi which I guess is >> some sort of database or something like that. Some folks suggest >> deleting old stuff that uses the database will fix it but knowing what >> that things those might be eludes me at this time. >> >> It's interesting to me that this error does not occur if I just start >> KDE and immediately exit so apparently it has to do with things KDE does >> as the day progresses. >> >> 1) Is anyone else seeing this? >> >> 2) What sort of things do I need to clean up to get rid of this error? >> >> 3) Is there some place where KDE logs messages about what it does all >> day long? >> >> The machine is Gentoo based, mostly stable, and has run KDE for a couple >> of years since it was built. > > Gentooer here, too! =:^) But I'm running a generally ~amd64 system with > the gentoo/kde overlay and currently the latest kde release, 4.8.0. > FWIW, I also ran the 4.8 prereleases, betas 1 and 2 and rcs 1 and 2 > (versions 4.7.80, 4.7.90, 4.7.95 and 4.7.98, IIRC). Similarly, I'm > running a direct Linus upstream git kernel, currently 3.3.0-rc2-172- > g23703f8, gcc-4.6.2, binutils-2.22.52.0.1, portage-2.2.0_alpha85, > grub-1.99, live-git openrc-9999 updated every few days, etc, all of which > are either package.keyworded ** or package.unmasked in ordered to merge > them. So I'm definitely running somewhat ahead of many of your packages, > including kde. > > FWIW, I got fed up with akonadi, however, and unmerged all of kdepim in > ordered to be able to unmerge it. With it unmerged, I was able to set > USE=-semantic-desktop, etc, so I have all that turnakonadied off as > well. You'd be AMAZED at how much faster kde runs now! I know I was -- > it was like an MSWormOS user finding out how much either the malware or > the malware scanners had been slowing him down or like getting a free > half-gigahertz or another couple cores CPU upgrade! I was /reasonably/ > happy with kde4 before, but now I'm MUCH happier with it! =:^) > > However, kmail, akregator, korganizer, knode, kaddressbook, etc, are part > of kdepim and thus pull in akonadi, so if you use any of them you'll have > to switch to something else if you decide to go the no-akonadi and > possibly no-semantic-desktop route, as I did. FWIW, I ran kmail and > akregator, but switched to the gtk-based claws-mail for both. Given the > decade-plus of mail archive I have, the conversion wasn't fun, but it > wasn't much worse than the conversion from pre-akonadi kmail1 as found in > kdepim-4.4, to akonadi-based kmail2 as found in kdepim 4.6+. > > I haven't seen that error, but since I switched to claws-mail and unmerged > all kdepim and akonadi before kde 4.7.1 (I was off of kmail for 4.7.0 but > was still using akregator so couldn't unmerge akonadi until I could > switch off akregator as well), if it's an akonadi issue, I'd not expect > to. > > What is akonadi? It's the common database middleware that all of kdepim > is gradually converting to use. It can actually use one of several > database backends, including mysql (the original default) and sqlite (the > newer default). The first kdepim app converted was kaddressbook, with > kdepim 4.4. kmail was next, but that was a major project, so there was > no kdepim 4.5, and kdepim 4.6 was released with the converted kmail2, but > not considered stable or released in version sync with the rest of kde > sc. With 4.7, kdepim synced with the rest of kde sc again, but on gentoo, > it remains possible to run current kde (thru 4.8.0 at least) with the old > kdepim 4.4.x and thus the old unakonadified kmail, since the akonadified > kmail2 is still problematic for many people. > > But upstream kde/kdepim are no longer updating the older 4.4.x version, > so it'll gradually get more and more difficult to keep it working with > current kde, until various distros decide to drop it. gentoo/kde is > keeping the old kdepim 4.4 for use with kde 4.8, only because they've > seen no major issues with it that they hadn't already worked thru for > 4.7, but eventually, there will be issues and gentoo/kde isn't going to > put a lot more effort into fixing them, so whenever they come up, you can > expect gentoo to drop the old kdepim 4.4 series. > > Meanwhile, with kmail2 as it's found in kdepim 4.6+, it's now akonadi > that does all the mail fetches, etc. Presumably, it's one of those jobs > that's failing, leaving the dialog box behind. Of course, that's > assuming that everybody's guess about what that box belongs to, akonadi, > is correct... > > Personally, given that I've already stated that I switched off of kmail > and dumped all of kdepim as I simply didn't find the akonadified version > worth the trouble any more, it should be obvious that's what I > recommend. I also expect you'll be quite pleasantly surprised at how > much faster kde is if you kill akonadi and friends, especially if you > take the opportunity to kill semantic-desktop at the same time. > > And I can also say that I've been very happy with claws-mail as a > replacement, altho the conversion wasn't particularly easy. > > But of course, all that is up to you. If despite that dialog, you're > finding that the akonadified kmail, etc, is working well for you, as it > surely will for some people, by all means, go ahead and keep using it, if > you wish. But if you've thought about trying something else out, now's > the time to do it. > > -- > Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. > "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- > and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman > > ___________________________________________________ > This message is from the kde-linux mailing list. > Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-linux. > Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. > More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Duncan, Thanks. It's an interesting story. In my case I'm not looking to maintain my own version of KDE here. I just wanted to know if anyone had seen this problem and what the solution to fix it was. I started going through equery depends ... command looking for what depends on what and at this point I'd likely be better off to just create a new user account, see if that account has the problem, and if it doesn't then just use that. On the other hand I haven't read all the responses yet so I'm still hopeful someone knows the real solution. Thanks again, Mark ___________________________________________________ This message is from the kde-linux mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-linux. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
