Hi Larry, Two things:
1- This isn't a place for politics, even though using free software could be a political stance, here we discuss everything related to kdenlive it is not censorship but focus on the topic. Plus there are better places for this issues. 2- The tone you write your emails with are as is someone owes you something. If you don't like how something has changed try to come up with a solution and not just complain. If you want something urgently then offer a bounty and maybe someone will pick it up. Have a good weekend. 2016-06-18 15:22 GMT-03:00 Larry Engel <larryen...@justice.com>: > In Kdenlive the Chroma Key worked well. There are even youtube.com > videos showing how to use it. > With all do respect Mr Massimo Stella the tone of my comment is based on > the fact that in earlier versions Chroma Key was doing a good job. > Someone made an error causing a major problem when that should have left > well enough alone, if they did not want to spend the time to test changes. > All video editors today are subject to sabotage for political reasons. It > is a way to censor the internet. When something goes beyond a mere bug and > causes major problems, hopefully it was a mistake. The Chroma Key was > working and easy to use, just put it back the way it was in earlier > versions. So why did this happen? Will the party explain the change? What > is the idea? Why do they not believe that wrecking Chroma Key is serious > stuff? I have experienced a couple of slam bugs, if that is the problem > with Kdenkive folks - heres how to handle it. Don't get upset! Save your > work frequently. when it crashes reboot and go on with the project. It is > no big deal. Killing Chroma Key is major! > --- kdenlive-requ...@kde.org wrote: > > From: kdenlive-requ...@kde.org > To: kdenlive@kde.org > Subject: kdenlive Digest, Vol 20, Issue 13 > Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 16:01:36 +0000 > > Send kdenlive mailing list submissions to > kdenlive@kde.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdenlive > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > kdenlive-requ...@kde.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > kdenlive-ow...@kde.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of kdenlive digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Kdenlive release cycles (Narcis Garcia) > 2. Re: R: Re: kdenlive Digest, Vol 20, Issue 11 (Evert Vorster) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 18:00:11 +0200 > From: Narcis Garcia <informat...@actiu.net> > To: kdenlive@kde.org > Subject: [kdenlive] Kdenlive release cycles > Message-ID: <5765700b.6000...@actiu.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > How does work Kdenlive's versioning and stabilization? > > Are there some kind of "major", "LTS" or "stable" versions that are > feature-frozen and focused about updates for bug fixing? > > Thanks. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 17:01:25 +0100 > From: Evert Vorster <evors...@gmail.com> > To: Massimo Stella <maxs...@tin.it> > Cc: larryen...@justice.com, Kdenlive <kdenlive@kde.org> > Subject: Re: [kdenlive] R: Re: kdenlive Digest, Vol 20, Issue 11 > Message-ID: > < > caer78vsphp68xda9eua5ibeunmubxr4+2me5pa6_ikymhhv...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi there, just to clear up some confusion on some points... > > Some applications have a default scheme, and also a setting for following > the system scheme. This makes just about everyone happy. > Kdenlive is by default to follow the system, scheme, and that is not a bad > default at all. > > Not a single complaint from me there. > > That Kdenlive is buggy is a statement of fact. That this buggyness detracts > from the user experience is a fact. I can point you to a rather long list > of open bugs on kdenlive. > I can also point you to a much longer list of closed out bugs, which > attests to the Herculean efforts that JB is putting in. Still no complaints > from my side. > > If I could code, I would contribute, but I can't, and I am doing the next > best thing and reporting bugs that I find, as I find them. Hopefully no one > is confusing this with complaining. > > In my opinion, Kdenlive is doing about as well as a single main developer > can do with maintenance in his spare time. > We either need more developers donating spare time, or hire a developer > either part time or full time... for which we need money. > > Any ideas on how much money is needed or how it can be made are quite > welcome, of course. > > One way would be to pay for preferential treatment for bug fixes or feature > additions. I would gladly pay $50 to be able to switch projects between fps > without corruption, for instance. > > Kind regards, > Evert > > On 18 June 2016 at 15:35, Massimo Stella <maxs...@tin.it> wrote: > > > I never commented before emails about topics not directly linked to the > > improvement of Kdenlive. But now I'm really bored in reading texts which > > contains, though in a respectful form, insults, outlets for frustration > and > > useless polemics. > > My opinion is that we have to help developers in creating an application > > which can interest professionals and I believe that we'll be able to do > it > > by inserting in Kdenlive the majority of the tools professionals need > > before we create the windows version. When the Windows version will be > > ready (as Windows on desktop is still adopted by 75% of the users) people > > will be able to decide if to continue to use proprietary software or > FLOSS > > for professional video editing purpose. > > When I read sentence like "Thereby, making Kdenkive a amateur second > class > > editor. It is more than a bug" related to chromakey feature, or "I > > respectfully disagree on same look everywhere." and then "Kdenlive today > is > > that it is so buggy that you can't do any serious work on it" I think > that > > people before to write has to know better what are real video editor > > applications on the market, how they are used by real professionals and > > take respect for the hard job people, like Jean-Baptiste, are doing. > > About chromakey and effects filters I already wrote that in real world > > producers use video editor applications for editing and compositing > > software for comppositing. So generally in a professional studio or in > > television nobody use AVID for chromkeying purpose. Of course it's better > > to have a fully functionally chromakey feature working inside Kdenlive > (for > > fast and rough keying jobs) but the lack of it doesn't make "make > Kdenkive > > a amateur second class editor. It is more than a bug". Feature lacks for > > real editors are others. For a good chromakey you can use Blender > > compositor and Natron, just for eg., which were created also for this > > purpose. You create effects in a compositing application and then you > edit > > them inside your video with a video editor applications, this is what > > happens in real productions. > > Then someone complains about bugs but it also complains about the GUI. He > > wants less bugs but also a configurable theme fo making his computer > looks > > all the same. > > Actually in proprietary software world each application has it's own > theme > > and you can just maybe change the color if you are lucky. Also some > > application on the FLOSS world work this way too. If to create a fixed > > theme and set of icons help to fix bugs in the Kdenlive GUI we have to > > choose the way which easier solve the problem instead of ask for > something > > which consume time in developping other more important features. > > I believe we have to test and know what others very costly applications, > > developped by groups of dozens of people, do and try to sugguest how to > > improve Kdenlive for becoming the best video editor application ever, > > instead of complain and use these tones. > > > > My suggestion is to follows these steps: > > 1. Complete the application with all the tools for editing (not for > > compositing) professionals need. > > 2. Fix all the bugs (even during the first step) > > 3. Propose the software to the Windows community and simplify the way to > > install it on MacOS (and with this move we'll enter in direct competition > > with Adobe, Avid and other software houses) > > 4. Improve the software by adding filters and compositing feature we > still > > miss. > > > > So, please, stop to complain and collaborate! > > > > ----Messaggio originale---- > > Da: larryen...@justice.com > > Data: 18-giu-2016 14.52 > > A: <kdenlive@kde.org> > > Ogg: Re: [kdenlive] kdenlive Digest, Vol 20, Issue 11 > > > > > > No video editor can be consider serious if Chrome Key does not work with > > blue or green as is the case with Ubuntu 15.04.1 > > > > --- kdenlive-requ...@kde.org wrote: > > > > From: kdenlive-requ...@kde.org > > To: kdenlive@kde.org > > Subject: kdenlive Digest, Vol 20, Issue 11 > > Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 12:00:15 +0000 > > > > Send kdenlive mailing list submissions to > > kdenlive@kde.org > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdenlive > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > kdenlive-requ...@kde.org > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > kdenlive-ow...@kde.org > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of kdenlive digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: Catching discussions from Kdenlive café #7 (Evert Vorster) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 04:24:45 +0100 > > From: Evert Vorster <evors...@gmail.com> > > To: Jesse DuBord <jesse.dub...@gmail.com> > > Cc: Kdenlive <kdenlive@kde.org> > > Subject: Re: [kdenlive] Catching discussions from Kdenlive café #7 > > Message-ID: > > <caer78vt0+cmpvo81fma11_5+akddjd+0lhh+m5g-vkgab7t...@mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > I respectfully disagree on same look everywhere. > > > > > > I use the breeze dark theme on my desktop, and expect ALL my applications > > to have that theme applied. > > > > Someone else might prefer a different theme for their desktop, and expect > > that theme to be everywhere. > > > > Like it or not, desktops have themes, and there are as many variations as > > there are people using them. > > > > Even something as simple as layout... what I prefer is completely > different > > from what you prefer. The beauty of kdenlive today it that it is > > _configurable_, so that you can get the look and layout that you want, > and > > I can get the look and layout that _I_ want, and everybody is happy. > > > > The biggest detractor of Kdenlive today is that it is so buggy that you > > can't do any serious work on it. Of course I use the git version, so the > > set up bugs keep changing, and I do bug reports as quickly as I can > ferret > > them out, but the list of bugs seem to be growing. At some point we have > to > > stop adding features for a bit and squash bugs, which will improve the > user > > experience much, much more than a nice set of icons. > > > > Regards, > > Evert Vorster > > > > On 17 June 2016 at 23:28, Jesse DuBord <jesse.dub...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > I completely agree with Farid about the universal interface. > Preferably, > > > it would be great to see it all the same across distros right out of > the > > > box, without the user needing to go into styles and themes to choose > what > > > they think it should look like. For GNOME-based desktops, it's almost > 90% > > > identical to Kdenlive in KDE Plasma -- the only exception I'm seeing > are > > > the dialog boxes when opening a project or adding clips/media (see > this > > > bug: <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=360882> > > > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=360882). However this can be set > > up, > > > I think it would be a huge step towards a more solid, positive > > recognition > > > with the Kdenlive appearance; users will know it by its look and color, > > you > > > know? > > > > > > > > > On 06/17/2016 05:00 AM, kdenlive-requ...@kde.org wrote: > > > > > > Send kdenlive mailing list submissions to > > > kdenlive@kde.org > > > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdenlive > > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > > kdenlive-requ...@kde.org > > > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > > kdenlive-ow...@kde.org > > > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > > than "Re: Contents of kdenlive digest..." > > > > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > > > 1. Re: Catching discussions from Kdenlive café #7 (farid abdelnour) > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Message: 1 > > > Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 17:52:20 -0300 > > > From: farid abdelnour <snd.no...@gmail.com> <snd.no...@gmail.com> > > > To: kdenlive <kdenlive@kde.org> <kdenlive@kde.org> > > > Subject: Re: [kdenlive] Catching discussions from Kdenlive café #7 > > > Message-ID: > > > <cahmxv36snyradxwonqmxpbyuxvvnqqtaxm6jmdf+l1m-kde...@mail.gmail.com> < > > cahmxv36snyradxwonqmxpbyuxvvnqqtaxm6jmdf+l1m-kde...@mail.gmail.com> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > > > Hi Vincent, > > > > > > - packaging: I had already updated stable PPA to 16.04.1. For me the > > logics > > > > > > behind PPAs is still relevant: master for dev version, testing for > bugfix > > > as soon as they get out (16.04 branch for the moment), and stable for > > > releases (downloads not more than every month) > > > > > > > > > How relevant are PPA's now that Snap is launched? > > > > > > > > > > > > - Movit: just seen on forum that the lib is sensitive to localization: > > https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=269&t=132764&p=358335#p358314 > worth > > > a try!? > > > > > > > > > I see that in Shotcut Movit causes a lot of bugs, I think we should > wait > > > until it gets stable or add a warning to users. > > > > > > > > > > > > - icons: that's really surprising that no script can do the job yet! > What > > > is montel doing? ;) > > > > > > > > > Icons are messy still and this should be fixed for 16.08. We need to > > offer > > > a similar interface experience across all platforms and between > different > > > distros. A packaging guideline should be established. > > > > > > > > > > > > - site: I have no time for this; maybe I should handle the installation > > > part? (want to look at Flatpak!) > > > > > > > > > Yes,please join in :) > > > > > > What are your views? Snap, Flatpak or both? > > > > > > - wanted to add: Farid is asking for EDL for years... and Shotcut has > > just > > > > > > integrated this feature! Maybe not so far for Kdenlive? > > > > > > > > > That would be a dream come true. I see Natron people have noticed this. > > Do > > > you know which EDL stardard they use? > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > J e s s e D u B o r d > > > ❯ Filmmaker, Screenwriter, Director, 3D Animator, Dreamer. > > > > > > YouTube <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_32AyzBmFl_AXJ8mqOeAfw> | > > > Google+ <https://plus.google.com/+JDRichards/posts> | Twitter > > > <https://twitter.com/JesseDuBord> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > kdenlive mailing list > > > kdenlive@kde.org > > > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdenlive > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Evert Vorster > > Isometrix Acquistion Superchief > > (Streamer Handling) > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: < > > > http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kdenlive/attachments/20160618/509c568f/attachment-0001.html > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Subject: Digest Footer > > > > _______________________________________________ > > kdenlive mailing list > > kdenlive@kde.org > > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdenlive > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of kdenlive Digest, Vol 20, Issue 11 > > **************************************** > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > > Find a local lawyer and free legal information at FindLaw.com. > > _______________________________________________ > > kdenlive mailing list > > kdenlive@kde.org > > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdenlive > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > kdenlive mailing list > > kdenlive@kde.org > > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdenlive > > > > > > > -- > Evert Vorster > Isometrix Acquistion Superchief > (Streamer Handling) > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kdenlive/attachments/20160618/1266bd02/attachment.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > kdenlive mailing list > kdenlive@kde.org > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdenlive > > > ------------------------------ > > End of kdenlive Digest, Vol 20, Issue 13 > **************************************** > > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Find a local lawyer and free legal information at FindLaw.com. > _______________________________________________ > kdenlive mailing list > kdenlive@kde.org > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdenlive > -- 1111.1010.r.i.1101|n.o.i.s.1110|i.m.1010.g.1110|مقاومة fsf member #5439 usuario GNU/Linux #471966 |_|0|_| |_|_|0| |0|0|0| <a href="http://www.gunga.com.br">gunga</a> <a href="http://www.tempoecoarte.com.br">tempoecoarte</a> <a href="http://www.atelier-labs.org">atelier-labs</a> <a href="http://www.mocambos.net">rede mocambos</a>
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