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Gerhard Wagner schrieb in der Community Informatik Liste, dass Freie Software keine wesentlichen ökonomischen Auswirkungen (im Sinn von Atbeitsplätzen im IT Sektor) gehabt habe. offen gestanden: Wie immer in heutigen Zeiten ist ja die Äußerung eines Gedankens ein wenig Mitformen der Realität. Weil wir das nicht so sehen wollen, sind wir auch daran interessiert es zu widerlegen. sachdienliche Hinweise bitte an Michel Bauwens <michelsub2...@gmail.com> Franz ----- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ----- Dear Rishab, Gehrard Wagner here below makes the very strong claim that: OSS did not create any substantial number of jobs in the IT-sector. Do you have any documentation on this topic that we could share, given your involvement in the FLOSS studies? Michel ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: <[ mailto:ciresearchers-requ...@vancouvercommunity.net ]ciresearchers-requ...@vancouvercommunity.net> Date: Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 11:56 AM Subject: Digest for list ciresearchers To: [ mailto:ciresearch...@vancouvercommunity.net ]ciresearch...@vancouvercommunity.net Table of content : 1. OSS jobs report 2. Re: [ciresearchers] OA and OSS: universally applicable principles? 3. RE: [ciresearchers] FW: [governance] Open Patents? Hundreds of thousands of innovations - most in the form of patents 4. Re: [ciresearchers] FW: [governance] Open Patents? Hundreds of thousands of innovations - most in the form of patents 5. Govt of Oman has blocked Skype here due complaints by telecom companies 6. Re: [ciresearchers] Govt of Oman has blocked Skype here due complaints by telecom companies 7. RE: [ciresearchers] FW: [governance] Open Patents? Hundreds of thousands of innovations - most in the form of patents 8. Re: $5,000 grant program, combining gifts in kind and cash, for nonprofits that want to enhance communications ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Michel Bauwens <[ mailto:michelsub2...@gmail.com ]michelsub2...@gmail.com> To: [ mailto:ciresearchers-requ...@vancouvercommunity.net ]ciresearchers-requ...@vancouvercommunity.net, [ mailto:contentiss...@chello.at ]contentiss...@chello.at Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:18:44 +0700 Subject: OSS jobs report Dear Gehrard, you write: A recent scientific report on OSS revealed that did not create any substantial number of jobs in the IT-sector. Only distributors as Redhad benefited. Thats it. Is is possible to have a reference, I find this quite counter-intuitive, since I've heard from both floss developers in kerala and ecuador that they have nearly 100% employment, and purely anecdotally of course, 99% of the programmers I meet have jobs ... of course, they could be displacing other jobs and not creating new ones, so in any case, your report would be most interesting, Michel see [ http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/estimating-the-value-of-the-free-economy-at-300-billion/2008/07/31 ]http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/estimating-the-value-of-the-free-economy-at-300-billion/2008/07/31 [ http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/estimating-the-value-of-the-free-economy-at-300-billion/2008/07/31 ]Estimating the value of the free economy at 300 billion [Image] Michel Bauwens 31st July 2008 Chris Anderson has done [ http://www.longtail.com/the_long_tail/2008/07/how-big-is-the.html ]a useful exercise to estimate the value of the really free economy (which excludes free as a gimmick and advertising-supported media), which he considers to be in the ballpark of $300 billion. The article starts by explaining a typology of the free economy, which I think has been done better elsewhere. See here for [ http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/steve-bosserman-on-economic-sustainability-in-a-world-of-open-design/2008/02/19 ]an alternative typology of the free economy (graphic [ http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/steve_bosserman/2008/02/09/giving_it_away_making_money.htm ]here) See also my own [ http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/what-kind-of-economy-are-we-moving-to-3-a-hierarchy-of-engagement-between-companies-and-communities/2007/10/05 ]ladder of open business models. Here is Chris Andersons calculation: Open source software (service and support around free software): * The Linux ecosystem (everything from RedHat to IBMs open source consulting business) is around $30 billion today. * Other companies built around open source, such as MySQL ($50m annual revenues) and Sugar CRM ($15m), probably add up to less than $1 billion. Free-to-play videogames: * These are mostly online massively multiplayer games, which are free to play but make money by charging the most dedicated gamers for digital assets (upgrades, clothing, new levels, etc). They started in South Korea and China (where theyre now a $1 billion business) and have now come to the US, with games like Runescape and NeoPets. * The casual games market (think everything from online card games to flash games) is now at nearly $3 billion. Free music: * How much of Apples iPod $4 billion in annual sales should be credited to the libraries of free MP3 that created demand for gigabyte storage devices? How much of MySpaces $65 billion estimated value is due to the free music bands put there? How much of the $2 billion concert business is driven by P2P file sharing? So whats the bottom line? By a strict definition of free (just the third category), its pretty easy to get to $50 billion total revenues. Include the next most interesting free market, online ad-driven content and services, and youre around $75 billion. Expand that to the traditional ad-supported media, and you can get to $150 billion. Go worldwide, and you can easily double all those figures. Whichever definition you like, theres a lot of money to be made around free. Of course, [ http://p2pfoundation.net/Money_is_not_the_Only_Value_Measurement_System ]money is not the only value evaluation system, and there are sections of the free economy, [ http://p2pfoundation.net/Adventure_Economy ]where no cash changes hands at all, for which we need different [ http://p2pfoundation.net/Wealth_Acknowledgment_Systems ]wealth acknowledgment systems. To measure, this kind of immaterial value, we need a new type of peer to peer metrics, which we are monitoring via this [ http://p2pfoundation.net/P2P_Metrics ]special page. Chris calculation also do not take into account eventual destructive effects on monetary wealth, that for example open source software may have caused to proprietary software, estimated at a loss of [ http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,1000000121,39397439,00.htm ]at $60 billion annually. [Datei- oder HTML-Anhang entfernt]