If Alice can share a key with the KDC then Alice can be issued a service
principal name and act as part of the realm.

Jeffrey Altman


Florian Frankenberger wrote:
> Thank you, Mike.
> 
> In my case, Alice isn't running in a domain at all. That's why I have to 
> implement the check for authenticity on Alice's side in my own way. So what 
> about the idea of having the service ticket encrypted with the symmetric key 
> that only the KDC and Alice know? Doesn't this mean a kind of secure proof of 
> authentcity to Alice if the ticket passed by Bob can be decrypted with the 
> shared secret key?
> Or is it simply impossible to get a service ticket for a service that doesn't 
> exist in this or any other domain?
> 
> 
> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Michael B Allen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Gesendet: Montag, 21. August 2006 20:49
> An: Florian Frankenberger
> Cc: [email protected]
> Betreff: Re: Using a Kerberized application outside the Kerberos Realm
> 
> 
> On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:40:28 +0200
> "Florian Frankenberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> My problem is that Alice is not in the domain in which the KDC is running. 
>> To be more precise, the KDC and the service Alice are set up in different 
>> network environments and thus do not know each other.
>> Is it possible to create a kerberized service that is not part of the 
>> Kerberos realm? If yes, what do I have to do?
> 
> Alice and Bob have to be in the same realm or in separate realms that
> have a trust established between them. Otherwise the is no basis for
> establishing trust between Alice and Bob. Kerberos is a "thrid party
> authentication system" so there needs to be someone both principals trust.
> 
>> I thought of sharing the symmetric service key between the KDC and Alice. To 
>> do so, I tried to create the service Alice with ktpass, give the so created 
>> encryption key to Alice and let Alice decrypt the service tickets, that will 
>> be delivered by Bobs later.
>>
>> Is this procedure possibly in theory? Does anyone know how to obtain the 
>> service ticket by using JAAS? I only managed to get the TGT.
> 
> If Bob requests a ticket for ALICESVC/[EMAIL PROTECTED] then
> even if Bob is [EMAIL PROTECTED] he should have no problem looking up the
> KDC for AI-AG.DE using DNS and getting a ticket per usual. But a trust
> relationship would be required between AI-AG.DE and AI-AG.US.
> 
> Mike
> 
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