On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 7:08 AM Neal Gompa <ngomp...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 7:02 AM Bastien Nocera <bnoc...@redhat.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > On 3/12/20 10:57 AM, Bastien Nocera wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > <snip> > > > >> The git tags are still signed by Linus. Does that cover your concerns? > > > > > > > > Not really, no. I think that multiplying the intermediaries between > > > > kernel.org > > > > and the Fedora repos by adding gitlab.com in the middle might not be the > > > > best of ideas. > > > > > > > > If the Fedora security team is fine with it, I'm fine with it, and even > > > > if > > > > I > > > > understand the practical concerns (pagure not being up to par to deal > > > > with > > > > repos that size, and without a mail gateway support), I find it slightly > > > > concerning. > > > > > > > > > > I think this boils down to how much do you trust the kernel maintainers. > > > Keep in mind that the existing model requires the kernel maintainers > > > to manually pull down a tree and extract the tarball and then upload. > > > You can probably trust them to not do anything malicious but mistakes > > > can happen (source: I screwed up many times). It's good to be concerned > > > about provenance as a threat model but I consider maintainers screwing > > > up manual tasks to be a bigger threat model to Fedora kernel security > > > so anything that moves towards automation is a benefit in my eyes. > > > > For me, it's about how much we trust gitlab.com _in addition_ to trusting > > kernel.org and fedoraproject.org. I wouldn't be concerned at all if > > the new "in-between" tree was at either of those 2 locations. > > For what it's worth, while I agree, I doubt the kernel maintainers > will care about that. They clearly haven't cared given that the CKI > project does not run on what most in the project generally considers > "trusted infrastructure".
Fedora's "trusted infrastructure" can't scale to what CKI is doing. One could argue about what trusted infrastructure means in general, because in my opinion there is no such thing, but it would be entirely irresponsible to overwhelm already limited capacity with something that is done at the scale CKI runs. Figuring out how to get comfortable with using cloud resources for workloads where that make sense is critical to our long term success. (FWIW, I'm trying really hard not to read your comment as a slam on the kernel team here. I also find it an interesting example of cognitive dissonance that CKI running in AWS somehow triggers this comment, when all of Fedora is dependent on the mirror network to serve the actual binaries to users and *that* is far more risky than doing build testing in the cloud that doesn't even impact end-users.) josh > I also am personally not a fan of the "source-git" approach for > various reasons (including that it makes it *much* more difficult to > identify downstream vs upstream changes, more easily leading to > forks), but the kernel team actively contributes to upstream and our > current policy makes it incredibly difficult to have non-upstream > changes in the kernel, so I'm less worried there. > > > > -- > 真実はいつも一つ！/ Always, there's only one truth! > _______________________________________________ > kernel mailing list -- kernel@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to kernel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/kernel@lists.fedoraproject.org _______________________________________________ kernel mailing list -- kernel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to kernel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/kernel@lists.fedoraproject.org
