great, I will do some tests and submit a patch. cheers Fabrizio
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Wayne Stambaugh <[email protected]> wrote: > On 9/13/2011 8:44 AM, fabrizio wrote: >> On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Wayne Stambaugh <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> On 9/12/2011 4:20 PM, hauptmech wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> On 7/09/2011 11:27 a.m., fabrizio wrote: >>>>> Good morning, >>>>> >>>>> let's sat that we change ctrl-alt-L to Alt-K we still have three more >>>>> conflicts: P, H, T. >>>>> >>>>> the following keys needs to be replaced because they are already >>>>> assigned to Place, Help and Tool >>>>> Alt-P >>>>> Alt-H >>>>> Alt-T >>>>> >>>>> Any suggestion? Once I change these 3 too, the correspondent hotkeys >>>>> will be different too..... Are we all cool with that? >>>>> >>>>> Are we sure that we want to go a head with this? What we are doing >>>>> here is drawing a difference between hotkeys and accelerators which >>>>> maybe many future users will not get and which I am not sure we should >>>>> be doing. >>>>> >>>>> cheers >>>>> Fabrizio >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 8:54 PM, jean-pierre charras >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> Le 06/09/2011 11:51, fabrizio a écrit : >>>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>>> in attachment you can find the simplest patch I can think of to: >>>>>>>> 1) add the Alt- to all "Place" menu accelerators >>>>>>>> 2) leave current hotkeys behaviour unchanged >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> is this whole idea good? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ctrl-alt-L needs to be changed (in the hotkey default set up I think) >>>>>>>> because it makes my system log off ! can we changed it? what do you >>>>>>>> guys propose? any other hotkey cause conflicts? >>>>>>> K or O should work. >>>>>>>> I am not sure it will work in windoz/OSX. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please let me have some feedback >>>>>> I forgot: >>>>>> Hot keys in Kicad sources are just default keys. >>>>>> do not forget hot keys are editable, >>>>>> so it can take a while before the best compromise about hot keys is >>>>>> found. >>>>>> Moreover this compromise must work fine under Linux, Windows, and MacOSX. >>>>>> Don't give up. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Jean-Pierre CHARRAS >>>> I came late to this conversation and have trouble remembering the >>>> conclusion of all the various threads of this conversation; but I'm a >>>> lover of hotkeys so I going to add my thoughts. If I'm covering >>>> something resolved then it can be ignored for now. >>>> >>>> I agree with those that feel that adding a mouse click (tool start) to >>>> tool selection is bad for those learning kicad through it's menus and >>>> that listing a hotkey in the menu for something different (<W> or >>>> whatever) in counter intuitive. >>>> >>>> I don't think it's necessary that the power-user Tool-select-plus-start >>>> hotkey be discoverable through the menus. Being discoverable through the >>>> hotkey configuration screen is enough. >>>> >>>> I also don't think it's necessary that every menu item, even in the >>>> place menu, have a default hotkey. In fact for kicad to be accessible to >>>> new users I suggest that only the standard hotkeys be set by default; >>>> (ctrl-o, ctrl-w, ctr-p, alt-f4, etc). A suggested hotkey setup for power >>>> users (the existing defaults) can be distributed with kicad and loaded >>>> once by any present user of the defaults or any user that is interested >>>> in trying them. >>> >>> I'm not sure but once again there seems to be some confusion about the >>> difference between a hot key and an accelerator. They are _not_ the same >>> thing >>> even though people have used the terms interchangeably. Putting the hot key >>> character (<W>) in the Place->Wire menu item was probably a bad idea which >>> caused a lot of the confusion. The hot key editor also mixes the two >>> concepts >>> together which just adds to the confusion and probably should be fixed >>> accordingly. Pressing the W key has never performed the same action as >>> selecting the Place->Wire menu item or clicking the wire tool bar button. >>> In >>> fact for the most part hot keys have completely different code paths than >>> accelerators. >>> >>>> >>>> I personally would prefer having tool select and tool start not be >>>> joined. I use hotkeys extensively and start the tool in the wrong spot >>>> accidentally often enough to be a minor annoyance. I do sympathize with >>>> those who do like it and think it's a nice feature. >>> >>> You can have that without disrupting the existing behavior by assigning an >>> accelerator to the menu item. The logical way would be to use the same hot >>> key >>> letter with a key modifier like Alt+W. This gives you the best of both >>> worlds. >>> Pressing W would give you the current hot key behavior and Alt+W would be >>> the >>> same as selecting the Place->Wire menu entry. This seems like a reasonable >>> solution to me. >> >> As already discussed it sounds like a good idea. What do you propose for : >> Alt-P >> Alt-H >> Alt-T > > You could add the shift key Alt+Shift+P. Although I think Ctrl+Shift is an > easier modifier pair to use and I don't think Ctrl+Shift is used anywhere in > Kicad so there shouldn't be any conflicts. It may be worth considering > Ctrl+Shift instead of Alt+Shift. > > Wayne > >> >> they are already used. >> >> >>> >>> Wayne >>> >>>> >>>> Ideally recorded macros would implement whatever wicked combination the >>>> user wanted to apply. Not practical for kicad at this point. Maybe a >>>> solution is to have a check-box option for 'auto-start' of each tool in >>>> the hotkey list. >>>> >>>> A modal hotkey list is only partially useful; it usually takes me a >>>> while to learn my awesome keyboard layouts; more if I don't use the app >>>> that often. Having the list open while I work (or printed) is a must. If >>>> we have a html list, why not save it as a file and load it with a web >>>> browser? >>>> >>>> I'll stop there. I have some hotkeys to propose but I'll save that for a >>>> separate thread. I'm psyched to see any work towards usability and >>>> hotkey in particular! thx fabrizio! >>>> >>>> -hauptmech >>>> >> > _______________________________________________ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers Post to : [email protected] Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
