2015-01-15 20:14 GMT+03:00 Andy Peters <[email protected]>: > > > On Jan 14, 2015, at 7:46 PM, Fat-Zer <[email protected]> wrote: > > yep, but for user can be able to easily chose it, kicad library should > provide them out of the box... And I propouse a way to store them in > library more straightforward IMO. > > I guess I don't see the point. How many components have different symbols? > Perhaps passives, where resistors can either be a rectangle or the v^v^v^v > we all know and love? > Not a lot if we count all the components on the library, but not so few if we will start count them on fingers: Resistors, Polarised capacitors, Fuses, Inductors, logical gates, also it would be nice to have some small warients of some items...
> > yep, but it's a suggestion in case of open hardware environment. It may > be usefull in case you are reusing somebody's else workarounds. but it's > not a first goal, just a suggestion for a bit more distant future... > > By the word, I'm not really experienced in that and may be totally wrong. > > If you are reusing someone else's work, the simplest path is to just use > whatever symbol that person chose. Why complicate matters, to little, if > any, benefit? > May be... as I said I'm not very experienced, so may be it's just my mad fantasy...and it's not a primary goal. > > > Yep... From your words the getting rid of cvpcb sounds great... if you > can handle such a work (taking in mind that schematic and footprint library > are nearly two different pices of data for now) I, personally, will > appreciate it... and I believe it will be appreciated by a lot of other > members of the community... I won't have enough time and (honestly > speaking) skills to do that on my own... > > That the symbol libraries and footprint libraries are separate doesn't > bother me at all. In fact, I think that it makes perfect sense. How many > parts use an SOIC-8 footprint? A zillion. So why carry the footprint around > with each of these zillion parts, when each part can just point to a > library and a footprint? > Off course no... Talking in Chris Giorgi's terminology, but than device and schematic libraries are two different pieces there is no way to create a strong connection between them so we don't have any part library now and I see no way to create it from. In other words now you can nail a footprint to the schematics but it's hard to track changes in the schematic/footprints libraries about the link... > > I honestly don't see how setting up library _COMPONENTS_ (defined as a > marriage between a symbol, a footprint, and something that points to, or > is, an orderable part number) just once is more difficult that drawing a > schematic with generic symbols and then using an intermediate tool to marry > a symbol with a footprint _for each symbol_ and _for each new design_. > Sure, the _component_ is "represented" by a symbol in the schematic > library, but in most designs the schematic is the master (the "source > code," if you will). > > More difficult for whom? For the user the first variant is definitely much more easy. But for the devs and library team it means to rewrite and _redesign_ the current library structure from scratch. It's a damn great work... > > Yes, that is... IMO the main audience of the kicad will be hobiest and > some more experienced people from openhardware world for the nearest > future. So the idea to support there needs doesn't sounds so crazy, isn't > it? )) > > I'm not sure the main audience for Kicad is hobbyists. I can't be the only > "do it for a living" EE who needs a quality EDA package and would like to > buy Altium but can't afford it and just simply hates EAGLE. > Oh... It seems I've really misestimated the number of such people...
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