I don’t object to what you’re doing, just how it’s being done. You don’t think this case is just a little bit special? Last time things were pretty obviously broken with the change, in this case they’re not. You’ve swapped out a symbol for something that’s basically the same except, oh, by the way, all your diodes are reversed. Am I misunderstanding this change? Is this not true?
Garth > On Apr 24, 2015, at 4:34 PM, Carl Poirier <[email protected]> wrote: > > KiCad's libraries were filled without any rules throughout time. All these > changes are necessary to have something consistent. Kerusey Karyu warned > people one month ago on the mailing list > <https://lists.launchpad.net/kicad-developers/msg17476.html> that we were in > the process of moving things around. No one complained. Now why when we take > action people wake up all of a sudden? > > The sooner we get things straight, the better it is. If we wait too much, it > will be too late. Before issuing the stable release sounds like an > appropriate moment to land the disruptive changes. > > BTW, I'm about to eradicate the special.lib library, as planned for now over > one month <https://github.com/KiCad/kicad-library/issues/153>, a great > initiative taken by Kerusey. > > Regards, > > Carl > > On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 7:21 PM, Garth Corral <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > This plan to deprecate the old diode type seems… uh... poorly thought out. > Yanking these out from under everyone and every project in exiistence and > then sending out a message that says, “hey, guess what I did?” doesn’t seem > like the best way to handle this. It is most certainly not the way to win > converts to kicad. > > > Garth > > >> On Apr 24, 2015, at 2:31 PM, Carl Poirier <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> Thiadmer, your proposal would require to duplicate every .pretty repository >> for every stable release. And I believe the schematics won't change because >> of the cache. >> >> Another solution would be to modify the github plugin to fetch a branch in >> particular instead of the master. Then, we could create one branch in each >> .pretty repository that would remain in the state at the time of the stable >> release. >> >> That, or we ship the stable release with local .pretty repositories as well. >> >> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Thiadmer Riemersma >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> For the stable release, I would vote for backward compatibility: have >> "deprecated" libraries with the diodes as they are right now (footprints + >> symbols), plus "standards-compliant" libraries with the cathode at pin 1 and >> the anode at pin 2. It would not be good if old schematics change just >> because they are loaded in a new version of KiCad. >> >> >> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 7:31 PM, Carl Poirier <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> Maybe this could be implemented for the stable release. >> >> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Bob Gustafson <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> Sounds professional. >> >> Bob G >> >> >> On 04/24/2015 12:24 PM, Adam Wolf wrote: >>> For future things like this, what do people think of a webview that pops up >>> on startup after checking a site for alerts? >>> >>> On Apr 24, 2015 12:14 PM, "Carl Poirier" <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> All installations need a local kicad-library, not just OS X. They are all >>> in the same situation. The next OS X nightly will be good if you pull the >>> latest kicad-libary for the build. >>> >>> Kerusey Karyu will announce the change on the users group on Yahoo to warn >>> people. If anyone has an account and wants to forward my message before he >>> does, feel free to do so. >>> >>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Adam Wolf <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> Hmm. >>> >>> So the OSX builds use Github by default for footprints, and have symbols >>> "baked in" at build time. >>> >>> Every OS X nightly build is going to produce bad boards, and there's no way >>> to tell users to update or inform them about this change through the >>> program at all. >>> >>> I really wish I would have known about this earlier. >>> >>> Adam Wolf >>> Cofounder and Engineer >>> Wayne and Layne >>> >>> On Apr 24, 2015 11:42 AM, "Carl Poirier" <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> Hi folks, >>> >>> This is simply to warn you that all diodes in KiCad's libraries have seen >>> their pin numbers swapped. This is to be in line with most other software >>> and the IPC standard as well, which states that cathode should be pin 1. >>> This work is courtesy of the newest librarian, Ricardo Crudo. >>> >>> If you are using Github libraries directly, the only thing you will have >>> left to do is update your schematic libraries to the latest revision of >>> https://github.com/KiCad/kicad-library >>> <https://github.com/KiCad/kicad-library> before continuing your work. If >>> you have a local copy of the footprint repositories, then when you are >>> ready you will be able to pull the changes for both the schematic libraries >>> and the affected footprint libraries: >>> >>> 1. Diodes_SMD.pretty <https://github.com/KiCad/Diodes_SMD.pretty> >>> 2. Diodes_ThroughHole.pretty >>> <https://github.com/KiCad/Diodes_ThroughHole.pretty> >>> 3. 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