I would prefer at least 3 files. One for SMT devices. One for TH Insertion. One for hand placement. Or one file with an extra field (SMD, TH, HAND).
Just an extra $0.02, Jean-Paul AC9GH > On May 11, 2015, at 5:09 PM, Andy Peters <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> On May 10, 2015, at 9:25 PM, Jean-Paul Louis <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Andy, >> >> The distinction between SMD, TH and Hand-placed is VERY important, as a SMD >> placement machine cannot handle TH parts and vice-versa. So you want to be >> able to segregate the parts for each assembly step. >> >> Just my $0.02. >> Jean-Paul >> AC9GH > > Right, so then this option needs even more consideration, and perhaps the > result will be not one, but two files for the automated stuffing machines. > > -a > > >>> On May 10, 2015, at 10:24 PM, Andy Peters <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> On May 9, 2015, at 2:27 AM, jp charras <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Le 09/05/2015 00:08, Andy Peters a écrit : >>>>> I was just skimming the kicad.info forum and a person had a question >>>>> about why some parts did not end up in the position file needed for >>>>> assembly. Another thread mentioned that that can be handled by setting an >>>>> “attribute” for each part in pcbnew. So I looked it up. (It has not >>>>> affected me because I haven’t submitted any boards for 3rd-party >>>>> assembly.) >>>>> >>>>> There are three options for the Attributes setting, and the following >>>>> comes right from the pcbnew documentation: >>>>> >>>>> • Normal is the standard attribute. >>>>> >>>>> • Normal+Insert indicates that the module must appear in the automatic >>>>> insertion file (for automatic insertion machines). This attribute is most >>>>> useful for surface mount components (SMDs). >>>>> >>>>> • Virtual indicates that a component is directly formed by the circuit >>>>> board. Examples would be edge connectors or inductors created by a >>>>> particular track shape (as sometimes seen in microwave modules). >>>>> >>>>> The second and third options seem clear. It’s just the first one that’s >>>>> vague. >>>>> >>>>> What is meant by “Normal is the standard attribute?” >>>>> >>>>> -a >>>> >>>> Should be: >>>> Normal is the attribute for footprints which cannot be automatically >>>> inserted on the board (they are not listed in automatic insertion file) >>> >>> OK, but the term “attribute” in this case is still quite vague. Seems to me >>> that automated stuffing is the rule, not the exception, so the “normal” >>> mode is “in the stuffing list.” I don’t see why there’s a distinction being >>> made between SMD and THT parts. >>> >>> Perhaps this would make a lot more sense if the term “attribute” was >>> changed to “Assembly Option” or “Stuffing Option” or something more >>> indicative of its function. Then the options should have reasonable labels: >>> “Include in Insertion File,” “Do not include in insertion file,” “Virtual >>> part.” The latter, of course, includes things like edge connectors and >>> mounting holes which must have a valid net (electrical) connection. >>> >>> I suppose you have to make a distinction between a part that must be on the >>> BOM but must be stuffed by hand vs a part that is a “not installed” and >>> does not appear on the BOM. >>> >>> I can certainly see instances where a physical part needs to be >>> hand-stuffed, such as an LCD or a pot that can’t be washed. >>> >>> Just my two cents. >>> >>> -a >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>> Post to : [email protected] >>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >> > > Andy Peters > 5511 E Rosewood St > Tucson, AZ 85711 > 520-907-2262 > [email protected] > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > Post to : [email protected] > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp _______________________________________________ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers Post to : [email protected] Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
