2016-03-09 0:31 GMT+01:00 Mário Luzeiro <[email protected]>: > Hi Maurice, > > Thanks for the video and screenshots, they are a good demonstration what you > can do with (new) KiCad 3D-Viewer and with external tools. > > I don't need to be convinced. I have no doubts that is it possible to do > anything with other tools, special, as they are all open source. > Your process looks a good process to me and you should announce it and ask > for have it noticed in the right places. > > You can do what you show us with your process using KiCad + FreeCAD + your > scripts. > > On other way, is KiCad software it self and what you can do with it. > What you did is not possible to do with just KiCad alone. > > I think KiCad project should give you support and promote your tool for > FreeCAD (eg: on webpage.. as a 3rd part tools.. etc),
Look at http://kicad-pcb.org/external-tools/, it is already there. > another matter is if the KiCad software application can give similar results > with an integrated solution. > > They are two different things, they both can co-exist, both are valid > processes that users could have as a choice. > > Mario > ________________________________________ > From: easyw [[email protected]] > Sent: 08 March 2016 22:18 > To: Mário Luzeiro; KiCad Developers > Subject: Re: [Kicad-developers] 3D models: custom VRML export vs FreeCAD > (OCE/Coin3D) VRML export > > Hi Mario, > just to show you facts, not only words here some links > 3d rendering of the crazyflie kicad board with all models in *VRML with > Material Properties* coming from my MCAD scripted libraries that I've > done with FreeCAD > here a video in which you can see Material Properties in action > https://youtu.be/DLLHttAPn3A > and some screenshots > https://raw.githubusercontent.com/easyw/kicad-3d-models-in-freecad/master/exportVRMLwColors/crazyflie-electronics-materials-vrml-no-warnings-kicad-OpenGL.png > https://raw.githubusercontent.com/easyw/kicad-3d-models-in-freecad/master/exportVRMLwColors/crazyflie-electronics-materials-vrml-no-warnings-kicad-OpenGL-bot.png > https://raw.githubusercontent.com/easyw/kicad-3d-models-in-freecad/master/exportVRMLwColors/crazyflie-electronics-materials-vrml-no-warnings-kicad-Raytracing.png > https://raw.githubusercontent.com/easyw/kicad-3d-models-in-freecad/master/exportVRMLwColors/crazyflie-electronics-materials-vrml-no-warnings-view3dscene.png > https://raw.githubusercontent.com/easyw/kicad-3d-models-in-freecad/master/exportVRMLwColors/crazyflie-electronics-materials-vrml-no-warnings.png > particularly you can see there are no warnings at all in view3dscene > > And, just to pointed out what can be done in FreeCAD, as I said so many > times, kicad board and parts exported from FreeCAD as STEP model will > give you a MCAD model without any geometry issues... > just to remember, if needed again, what an user said 7 months ago when I > started kicad StepUp > https://lists.launchpad.net/kicad-developers/msg19243.html >> I was able to open the resulting file with following programs: Catia V5, >> PTC Creo Parametrics V2, Solid Edge ST7, Siemens NX10 and Solid Works. >> >> Thank you. >> Thomas > > Cheers > Maurice > > On 08/03/2016 14.42, easyw wrote: >> Hi Mario, >>> Probably Cirilo got the wrong movie room or it was not an IMAX >>> cinema... but in any case.. I think he is looking for an "home theater >>> cinema" solution. >> I will be one of the most happy fan of a direct integration of STEP in >> kicad, but I just don't want that a wrong message would pass >> FreeCAD developers are very nice and their effort is very strong... they >> are also on Google Summer Code ... >> for me FreeCAD solved many mechanical problems, as kicad did for ECAD >> environment, but you need to spend some time in learning how to use an >> instrument before saying that is good or bad IMO... >> If I would catch someone giving a bad reputation to kicad in i.e. >> eevblog forum, I would reply giving my point of view (as in fact I did) :) >>> .. aaand back to work.. >> good-oh >> >> Maurice >> >> On 08/03/2016 13.22, Mário Luzeiro wrote: >>> Hi Maurice, >>> >>> In any case, Cirilo is looking for a solution for KiCad. No matter if >>> we like it or not. That are separated things. >>> Even if the quality is good or bad, he have to compare with something >>> and one thing would be a (good or bad) 3d plugin for (integration >>> with) kicad other will be a 3rd part tool (good or bad). >>> >>> So even if FreeCAD was perfect, it was not a KiCad software part. >>> >>> If you want watch a movie, you can go to the cinema or watch it at >>> home (if you have a home cinema player or something to play it). >>> At moment it is still not possible to watch a movie at home with >>> KiCad... if that becomes possible, people are still free to go to the >>> cinema.. because that are two different ways of watch a movie. >>> >>> Probably Cirilo got the wrong movie room or it was not an IMAX >>> cinema... but in any case.. I think he is looking for an "home theater >>> cinema" solution. >>> >>> Do not miss the scenes of the next episode... :) .. aaand back to work.. >>> >>> MRL >>> >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: easyw [[email protected]] >>> Sent: 08 March 2016 11:48 >>> To: Mário Luzeiro; Cirilo Bernardo; KiCad Developers >>> Subject: Re: [Kicad-developers] 3D models: custom VRML export vs >>> FreeCAD (OCE/Coin3D) VRML export >>> >>> Hi, >>>> Why do you say that is anyone (where?) against FreeCAD? >>> you don't see anything against FreeCAD quality here? >>>> Hi folks, >>>> I'd just like to share a comparison of the OCE VRML export from my >>>> visualization experiments vs the FreeCAD VRML exporter. >>>> FreeCAD: file size ~28MB, >800 warnings about defects in the model, >>>> bad lighting model for VRML: >>> or there? >>>> cbernardo >>>> Jan 20 >>>> xavierw >>>> Thanks for pointing out the problem with FreeCAD bloating the STEP >>>> files. For me that means that I'll have to go create a lightweight >>>> STEP library for kicad some time in the future. I already have an >>>> IGES library which is capable of creating PCB mechanical assembly >>>> models but (a) I need to make some large changes to kicad so that >>>> Export functions can be implemented by plugins and (b) my library has >>>> no provisions to actually display a model. Since I only work on the >>>> code in what little spare time I have, it will be a year or more >>>> before we see any such features in kicad. At least for now there's >>>> FreeCAD, even if it bloats the models by a ridiculous amount. >>> https://forum.kicad.info/t/3d-new-library-for-mechanical-cad-exporting-and-enclosure-design/1763/94 >>> >>>> Anyway, I guess this is the right place if there are technical >>>> discussions or technical help need! >>> and I'm giving just technical help on what I consider not correct >>> information on FreeCAD comparison to help people not following wrong >>> advices... >>> >>>> https://lists.launchpad.net/kicad-developers/msg11411.html >>>> Probably now a good time to recall it since the kicad stable is out >>>> and I believe we can add new features... >>> that would nice, but I suspect that he won't reply this mailing list >>> anymore ... >>> >>> Maurice >>> >>> >>> On 08/03/2016 12.17, Mário Luzeiro wrote: >>>>> I've been in contact with Cirilo from about 4 years now :) and I was >>>>> asking exactly this feature... but that was so in very low priority >>>>> (years!!!) >>>> >>>> Damn it! You mean Cirilo took 4 years!! to attend your requests?! >>>> That guy must be very lazy!.. :D >>>> I'm used to ask something and get it for free, impeccable, by the >>>> next day! (free shipping too!) >>>> >>>> >>>>> if you see the mailing list a guy already suggested to export STEP >>>>> using his code in 2013, giving also a STEP file as an example, >>>>> offering to share it, but he was ignored >>>>> https://lists.launchpad.net/kicad-developers/msg11409.html >>>> >>>> I had a look and it was not ignored, Wayne reply and he was happy: >>>> https://lists.launchpad.net/kicad-developers/msg11411.html >>>> I don't know why it didn't follow >>>> Probably now a good time to recall it since the kicad stable is out >>>> and I believe we can add new features... >>>> >>>> >>>>> you may have forgotten the files I already shared with you ... >>>>> https://sourceforge.net/projects/kicadstepup/files/prjs/HACK-master-R2.7z/download >>>>> >>>> >>>> Maybe Cirilo would like to have a look and compare, I dont have the >>>> plugin he is developing... >>>> >>>> >>>>>> so I see nothing wrong with that and it does not do in any way an >>>>>> attack competition to your StepUP converter. >>>>> me either, but I cannot understand why there is a trend against FreeCAD >>>>> which is the only opensource MCAD sw robust and featured that can >>>>> managed STEP import and export without any issues >>>> >>>> Why do you say that is anyone (where?) against FreeCAD? >>>> >>>> When you do some work, you have the main software (i.e: KiCad) and >>>> you can have multiple 3rd part softwares that can help you doing the >>>> job, special for open source softwares, it is natural to use multiple >>>> tools. >>>> >>>> The thing is, here is the KiCad (software) developers mailing list :) >>>> So it is natural that we are more focused on KiCad development as the >>>> software. (On other side, the KiCad libraries have another mailing >>>> list... ) >>>> I dont know which department should be responsible for promote 3rd >>>> part tools (ok I know it is a bit mixed here on this mailing list) >>>> but maybe someone related with webpage and community should give more >>>> visibility to 3rd part tools. >>>> Anyway, I guess this is the right place if there are technical >>>> discussions or technical help need! >>>> >>>> Cheers! >>>> Mario Luzeiro >>>> > _______________________________________________ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > Post to : [email protected] > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp _______________________________________________ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers Post to : [email protected] Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
