We do always show either the correct diameter or nothing at all. Thankfully never a *different* diameter, or else I'd have raised a stink long ago! ;) What I'd like to change is that it's even an option to show nothing at all. If there's a hole through the board, it should be shown, period.
On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 02:09:17PM -0400, Wayne Stambaugh wrote: > On 5/10/2016 2:02 PM, jp charras wrote: > > Le 10/05/2016 à 18:28, Chris Pavlina a écrit : > >> Part one of many to clean up pcbnew preferences and unify legacy vs GAL > >> options. > >> > >> This patch removes the option in legacy to hide via drills. As Tom > >> indicated[1], the layout should as much as possible be WYSIWYG, and if a > >> via > >> has a drill it should show it. Therefore we chose to remove this option > >> from > >> legacy rather than add it to GAL. > >> > >> This raises a question that needs to be resolved in a different way. There > >> is a > >> possibility to create vias with undefined drill diameter, in which case > >> they > >> will have whatever diameter the net class is set to. Legacy had an option > >> to > >> indicate this will drill presence or absence: absence of a drill mark > >> indicated > >> that the diameter was default. > >> > >> I believe this is a very bad way to do it and needs to be fixed. First of > >> all, > >> if we *do* permit this behavior it needs to be shown in a different way. > >> Hiding > >> the drill is a particularly poor approach, because the netclass drill > >> diameter > >> changing can have destructive consequences for the layout, and it needs to > >> be > >> obvious that this has happened. In my view it is very unobvious to someone > >> not > >> familiar that this even exists, and hiding the drills subject to this > >> behavior > >> makes it *worse*. If we're keeping the behavior, we need a better way to > >> indicate that drills are dynamically sized. > > > > This is an opinion, which can be discussed. > > > > AFAIK, since a long time the default via hole diameter does not exist. You > > can change the netclass > > drill diameter without changing the via drill diameter of existing vias. > > Therefore I do not see the problem you want to fix. > > > > (The default via hole diameter can exist only in old boards) > > Is here any reason to show any via hole diameter other than the actual > diameter that will be used when the board is plotted? I cannot think of > any. It makes sense to me to show the actual diameter of the via no > matter whether that diameter is defined in the netclass, default, or > some other setting. I guess the tricky part is determining what the > that diameter actually is based on the all of the potential via diameter > settings. > > > > >> > >> Honestly I think the behavior needs to go away entirely and be replaced > >> with a > >> new way to make drills match the net class. Orson suggested to me that > >> there > >> could be a way to manually trigger an update of drill sizes. In GAL this > >> can > >> already be done on a selection. I'd like a way to update all drills of a > >> certain size, though - for instance a quick "change drills that had the old > >> netclass size to the new netclass size". Thoughts? > >> > >> PLEASE, I'd like some input from people who actually do layout > >> professionally, > >> if any are presently stalking the mailing list. The question of whether or > >> not > >> things should change dynamically tends to be very important to them and I'd > >> like to know what they think. > >> > >> [1] https://misc.c4757p.com/pad/p/pcbnew-prefs > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > >> Post to : [email protected] > >> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > >> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > Post to : [email protected] > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp _______________________________________________ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers Post to : [email protected] Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
