On 9/21/2016 3:14 PM, Chris Pavlina wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 09:04:03PM +0200, Niki Guldbrand wrote:
>> On ons, 2016-09-21 at 20:13 +0200, jp charras wrote:
>>> Le 21/09/2016 à 19:33, Niki Guldbrand a écrit :
>>>>
>>>> On ons, 2016-09-21 at 12:32 +0200, jp charras wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Le 21/09/2016 à 00:21, Niki Guldbrand a écrit :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * Move the generated PNG and temporary files to the build tree,
>>>>>> but
>>>>>>   keep the generated c files in the source tree for easier
>>>>>>   addition/updates in tree.
>>>>>> * Syncronize .gitignore to the changes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Signed-off-by: Niki Guldbrand <niki.guldbr...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>  .gitignore                 | 2 --
>>>>>>  bitmaps_png/CMakeLists.txt | 5 ++---
>>>>>>  2 files changed, 2 insertions(+), 5 deletions(-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree for temporary files.
>>>>>
>>>>> I fully disagree to move generated PNG files to the build tree.
>>>>>
>>>>> As a icon maintainer and a menu/toolbar maintainer, I am very
>>>>> *happy*
>>>>> to easily find them in source
>>>>> tree, for instance when I want to create a new icon, or choose an
>>>>> existing icon for a new menu item.
>>>>>
>>>>> Build tree is subject to be deleted, not files in source tree.
>>>>>
>>>> Well they are still available, you just have to look in the build
>>>> tree
>>>> instead, so in my view it's a none issue, as they will be recreated
>>>> if
>>>> needed.
>>>>
>>>> And you still have the source files avalible (svg), to look at.
>>>
>>> Are you joking?
>>> There are near 500 icons.
>>>
>>> Only png files can be displayed as images when exploring a folder,
>>> not svg files.
>>
>> Well I don't know what OS you normally use, but here (Linux - Arch) I
>> see the svg files when browsing folders the same way as I would if they
>> were png's or jpeg's.
> 
> I don't have too terribly much to say about this...but surely whether
> your own OS and software previews them should be your own problem to
> solve? It's not appropriate to litter the source tree used by all the
> developers because it makes it easier for you personally to look through
> previews...get a better directory viewer.

CMake is pretty capable albeit a bit unwieldy at times.  Maybe the
PNG_MAINTAINER mode could have a clean-pngs make option so everyone
wins.  Just food for thought.

> 
>>>
>>> Moreover I wrote:
>>> "Build tree is subject to be deleted, not files in source tree."
>>> Clearly, you not read me.
>>
>> Yes I did, but that doesn't mean that I have the same oppinion as you
>> do, that is the nice thing about diversity in OSS, different ideas
>> meet, and progress is made :-)
>>
>>>> I was even considering removing the 'if( MAINTAIN_PNGS ) all
>>>> together,
>>>> and replace it with something that lookes if the cpp file was older
>>>> than the svg, and in that case regenerate the cpp file and not keep
>>>> the
>>>> png's around.
>>>
>>> Forget it.
>>
>> Well you haven't seen my patch yet, and allready dismissing it, but see
>> my answer above.
>>
>>>> I'm also considering moving the svg's to the resources folder,
>>>> because
>>>> they are resources, and not source files, but that may just be my
>>>> view.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The current tree was designed by guys who know what they are doing,
>>> not beginners.
>>> It can be modified, but with good reasons.
>>
>> I haven't said anything about the people that designed it, but still,
>> there might be people out there with other ideas, might not be the
>> best, but could be a middle ground for improvement.
>>
>> I don't know if "not beginners" is ment as an insult or what, but, I
>> don't know you, and you don't know me (and each others background for
>> that matter), so my proposal is to keep the conversation civil, and not
>> start calling each other names or something like that, and keep it
>> technical and productive.
>>
>> I know that I might have radical ideas in your and maybe others eyes,
>> but I share them, and hope that we can find a common middle ground that
>> we can agree on and that improves kicad.
>>
>>> svg files are sources, like html or .fbp files
>>
>> They are also image files, although they are not binary in nature, they
>> are XML base, but they are still a resource ( in my view).
>>
>>> Why some guys are thinking only cpp files are sources. This is false.
>>> Sources files can be written in any language (svg *is* a language)
>>
>> I don't agree with you here, as I see it svg's is a file format, and a
>> subset of XML.
>>
>> A language is in my view something where you have eg. for, if, while
>> statements, and other constructs like that.
>>
>>> Clearly you have never maintained icon files.
>>
>> No I have not, you are correct on that point.
>>
>>> Maintain is not just build file: it is most of time create, choose
>>> and edit files.
>>
>> I agree on that point too.
>>
>>> Still, I am in the impression you did not really read my previous
>>> mail.
>>
>> As I wrote further up, yes I did, but our ideas and visions are
>> proberbly not the same.
>>
>> I'm not here to derail the project, I'm here to help the project along,
>> and when new people come along there is a new pool of ideas that could
>> be useful to the project.
>>
>> Best regards
>>
>> Niki
>>
>> -- 
>> Niki Guldbrand <niki.guldbr...@gmail.com>
>>
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