OK, the two patches are up.

Cheers,
Jeff.


> On 9 Feb 2018, at 14:27, Nick Østergaard <oe.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 2018-02-09 15:05 GMT+01:00 Wayne Stambaugh <stambau...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com>>:
> On 2/9/2018 1:34 AM, Carsten Schoenert wrote:
> > Am 09.02.2018 um 01:54 schrieb Wayne Stambaugh:
> >>> If you want to tag rc1 this weekend, should we tag the libs as well?
> >
> > Absolutely! Don't make the life of distributions and packagers more
> > complicated than needed.
> 
> I'm not sure how we want to go about this for libs, docs, and
> translations.  Simple tagging is easy enough but it is somewhat limited.
>  Tagging and branching is a far more complex task because now you have
> to deal with back porting changes that are relevant to the stable
> branch.  I don't have a preference but then again I'm not maintaining
> any of this so I don't feel I have any right to ask someone else to do
> it.  I know how much work it was to back port fixes to the stable 4
> branch.  We need to decide what make the mosts sense and live with that
> decision.  Of course we can always do something different for the next
> release if what we decide to do this time doesn't work out.
> 
> Depending on who we want to use it we do not need to branch before it is 
> needed, if it is ever needed. The rc tags can be on master without issues. 
> Then the git describe output will also be more relevant. Remember branching 
> can be far back in time, so there is no rush performing the branching just 
> yet.
>  
> 
> >
> > There was a interesting talk on FOSDEM about how to make releases right
> > (in terms of "No, please don't do it this way."), the content isn't new
> > but sometimes it's good to look at this all from a sarcastic view.
> >
> > https://fosdem.org/2018/schedule/event/how_to_make_package_managers_cry/ 
> > <https://fosdem.org/2018/schedule/event/how_to_make_package_managers_cry/>
> 
> I wanted to make it to this talk but there was a conflict with another
> talk.  Great talk.  This was too funny!
> 
> I've tried my best make kicad easy for package developers.  There are
> still some issues to resolve but I think we are in pretty good shape.
> 
> >
> >>> Should we limit changes to the lib from that point on until the final
> >>> stable release or can we still make larger improvements in that
> >>> timeframe? (For example there is the idea to add pin numbers for the
> >>> mechanical mounting pins of connectors which would require renaming of
> >>> footprints to allow better footprint filters.)
> >>
> >> For the libs, docs, and translations, I'm ok if we hold off tagging
> >> until the stable release if that works for you.
> >
> > Correct as this needs to be done by the respective sub parts like the
> > documentation or library team(s).
> >
> >> For rc releases, we can just package these items as they stand at the
> >> moment.
> > Also correct, 'rc' means nothing other then this is a release candidate,
> > not to be considered as a final and stable release. But build tools an
> > chains need to be tested and improved, workflows needs to be adopted to
> > new versions or used tools ...
> 
> Understood.
> 
> >
> >> I would not let this drag on too long.  KiCad is in pretty good shape
> >> so I'm hoping for a shorter rc period before the stable release than
> >> we typically have. Of course this all depends on how quickly we can
> >> fix any critical bugs that show up during the rc period.
> > It's no shame to build more than one RC candidate and gives
> > distributions also the chance to get better in touch with the new
> > version and also increases the chance to get more feedback from people
> > how are impossible or don't want to build the software by themselves.
> >
> 
> I will give everyone plenty of time to complete the non-source related
> work.  It's just that there are very few critical bugs compared to the
> v4 branch so I am hopeful that v5 will not take 4 months from branch to
> release.
> 
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