This is what I'm trying to determine. It sounds like this was a premature assessment on my part. If this is the case, I will branch and tag rc1 now.

On 02/23/2018 07:49 PM, Jon Evans wrote:
Was it ever possible to run the fill algorithm (meaning, only fill in parts of a polygon outline, based on some clearance to other items on the same layer) on a non-copper zone? I might be missing something, but from looking over the code (even back at 4.0 branch) I don't think this has ever been supported. So, while this might be an interesting feature request, it's not a bug and shouldn't hold up the RC.

Seth, yes I see that dialog too in old builds, but the outline appearance doesn't do anything (because non-copper zones are always shown filled, not with an outline)

Are we actually missing any features we used to have, or is this all a matter of proper documentation about the new way to do things in v5?

-Jon

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 7:41 PM, Seth Hillbrand <seth.hillbr...@gmail.com <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I have a number of zones on non-copper layers in older designs. They used to have the attached dialog.

    But setting the width of a graphical polygon to 0 removes the size
    issue Andrzej mentioned.

    For filling vs. non-filling, I don't personally see the usefulness
    in having the fill algorithm run over a polygon that will always be
    filled.  But maybe there's a use-case I'm missing?

    -S

    2018-02-23 16:26 GMT-08:00 Jon Evans <j...@craftyjon.com
    <mailto:j...@craftyjon.com>>:

        I went back to an older version of master (back around September
        of last year) and I can't make a zone on a non-copper layer that
        behaves like a copper zone.  Even when using the zone tool, they
        behave like graphic polygons.
        Were you able to do this up until Orson's recent change?  If so,
        how do you do it?

        On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 7:23 PM, Andrzej Wolski
        <awolski.ki...@gmail.com <mailto:awolski.ki...@gmail.com>> wrote:

            Polygons do work, but they are different kind of object than
            zones and I think they both should be there.

            I think zones suppose to flood, while polygons should be
            always solid.

            Polygons do not currently have "do not show filled".

            There are many designs which already have zones on non
            coppers layers, so Kicad will have to support them anyway,
            but users won't be able to place new ones?

            Also note that there is difference in how zone vs polygon
            outline is drawn. When you draw 10x10mm zone, resulting
            object will have the same dimensions, but polygon will be
            10x10mm + outline width.

            Andrzej


            W dniu 2018-02-24 o 00:49, Seth Hillbrand pisze:
            The graphical polygon tool works for non-copper layers.

            Andrzej, does this tool not work?

            -S

            2018-02-23 15:28 GMT-08:00 Wayne Stambaugh
            <stambau...@gmail.com <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com>>:

                Orson,

                Is there any reason not to allow zones to be drawn on
                non-copper layers?
                 The changes you made in this commit would seem to
                indicate there was a
                reason not to allow this.  I'm going to hold off on
                rc1 until we get
                this resolved.

                Thanks,

                Wayne

                On 02/23/2018 06:10 PM, Andrzej Wolski wrote:
                > Hello,
                >
                > after this change:
                >
                
https://git.launchpad.net/kicad/commit/?id=fea71c9f8f02c59a05de19293a8ce5a55432527b
                
<https://git.launchpad.net/kicad/commit/?id=fea71c9f8f02c59a05de19293a8ce5a55432527b>
                >
                >
                > I can no logner draw zones on non copper layers.
                > Was that intentional?
                >
                > Andrzej
                >
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