On 4/11/2018 10:06 AM, jp charras wrote: > Le 11/04/2018 à 15:46, Wayne Stambaugh a écrit : >> On 4/11/2018 9:23 AM, Strontium wrote: >>> On a practical note, the bigger the profile of KiCad gets, the more >>> likely some a-hole tries to trademark kicad out from under the project >>> for their own perceived benefit (Or just simply to be an a-hole). It >>> happens. >>> >>> So it's probably a good idea to get the trademark just to protect the >>> project from someone else taking it and then the trouble that causes. >> >> This would be less of an issue if there was a legal entity for the KiCad >> project. For now, I'm fine with registering it under JP's name or CERN >> if JP isn't interested in having it under his name. >> > > I am fine to register Kicad under CERN. > (I am not especially interested in having it under my name.)
I can understand that. I just wanted to give you the first shot at it since you started and gave KiCad it's name. > >>> >>> Who pays for that, and who holds it is another question. But if it >>> happens, we should clearly define what's allowed and what's not. For >>> example, if you made a board in KiCad, is it allowed to put the KiCad >>> logo on the boards silkscreen? What if it's a commercial board, and not >>> open source? That sort of thing. >> >> As I mentioned to Hilary, I'm also fine with offsetting the registration >> costs with the proceeds from any merchandise sales. I don't think this >> is unreasonable. >> >> As for the KiCad logo on boards designed with KiCad, I personally don't >> have an issue with anyone adding our logo to their boards be they open >> or proprietary. It's free advertising either way. I doubt many >> proprietary boards will include any design tool logos. >> >>> >>> Steven >>> >>> On 11/04/18 19:51, Wayne Stambaugh wrote: >>>> Please take a look at the inquiry below that I received from CERN about >>>> using the KiCad logo for merchandising and trademark questions. I have >>>> included my response to the inquiry. Does anyone else have any >>>> objections or any knowledge of KiCad being a registered trademark? >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Wayne >>>> >>>> -------- Forwarded Message -------- >>>> Subject: RE: Right to use KiCad name / logo >>>> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2018 13:59:55 +0000 >>>> From: Hilary Nathan <hilary.nat...@cern.ch> >>>> To: Wayne Stambaugh <stambau...@gmail.com> >>>> CC: Javier Serrano <javier.serr...@cern.ch> >>>> >>>> Hi Wayne >>>> Many thanks for your prompt response. I will follow up with Javier and >>>> CERN's legal team to see what (if any) efforts have been made for TM >>>> protection of the KiCad name/logo. >>>> In the meantime, it would be great if you could contact the rest of the >>>> development team to receive their response to my queries. >>>> Best wishes >>>> Hilary >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Wayne Stambaugh <stambau...@gmail.com> Sent: 09 April 2018 15:48 >>>> To: Hilary Nathan <hilary.nat...@cern.ch> >>>> Cc: Javier Serrano <javier.serr...@cern.ch> >>>> Subject: Re: Right to use KiCad name / logo >>>> >>>> Hi Hilary, >>>> >>>> I personally do not have any issue with using the KiCad logo as long as >>>> the merchandising proceeds go to the KiCad project. I cannot speak for >>>> the entire development team but I'm reasonably sure they would feel the >>>> same way. I can ask on the developers mailing list if you prefer. >>>> >>>> I was under the impression the CERN was going to handle registering the >>>> KiCad trademark (at least in the EU) given some of the conversations I >>>> have had with Javier but I may have misunderstood. Perhaps we could use >>>> some of the proceeds to help defer the cost of getting KiCad trademarked >>>> at least in the US and EU. I do not believe there is any intent to >>>> trademark KiCad. We really don't have any legal entity to own the >>>> trademark so I suspect that is why it has not happened up to this point. >>>> I'm not sure how best to handle this. I am comfortable with CERN >>>> applying for the trademark as long as it is understood that the >>>> trademark belongs to the KiCad project. The other option may be to >>>> register it under the project founder's name (Jean-Pierre Charras). I >>>> am open to suggestion since legal matters are not my specialty. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Wayne >>>> >>>> On 4/9/2018 6:51 AM, Hilary Nathan wrote: >>>>> Dear Wayne >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I joined CERN at the beginning of this year and have been in touch >>>>> with Chris Gammell from Analog Life LLC/Contextual Electronics about >>>>> how together we can increase awareness and funds for KiCad. Chris >>>>> already uses the KiCad name and logo on his community forum (and other >>>>> sites) to support KiCad, and sells KiCad-branded merchandise to raise >>>>> money for KiCad development. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Before CERN partners with Chris (and potentially others) in this kind >>>>> of activity, I wanted to check with you about trademark protection and >>>>> ability to use the KiCad name and logo. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> As I understand, the licences for KiCad (program, documentation, >>>>> library and website) do not cover trademarks. I have searched >>>>> trademark data bases and KiCad is not listed as a protected mark. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Would you kindly advise: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 1. Whether there is any trademark protection for KiCad? >>>>> >>>>> 2. If so, what is the source of the protection, where is it >>>>> registered and who is the owner of the IP? >>>>> >>>>> 3. If not, are all interested parties (yourself and the other >>>>> authors; other contributors or sponsors) happy for CERN to use the >>>>> KiCad name and logo in a commercial manner (eg: merchandise) >>>>> independently or with other partners (such as Chris) with all profits >>>>> flowing back to the CERN & Society Foundation for KiCad development? >>>>> >>>>> 4. If not, do any interested parties (as identified above) >>>>> intend to apply trademark protection to the name/logo? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> If it is easier, we can discuss by telephone when it's convenient for >>>>> you. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Your advice is much appreciated. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Best wishes >>>>> >>>>> Hilary >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Hilary Nathan* >>>>> >>>>> CERN & Society Foundation >>>>> >>>>> CERN International Relations >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> inst-CERN >>>>> >>>>> CERN - European Organization for Nuclear Research CH - 1211 Geneva 23, >>>>> Switzerland >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Tel. +41 22 76 62159 >>>>> >>>>> http://www.cern.ch/giving >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> /Sign up for the CERN & Society e-newsletter and stay up-to-date!/ >>>>> >>>>> /cern.ch/go/CSnews <https://t.co/JdInNbLSl8> /// >>>>> > _______________________________________________ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp