Hi! I've been asked to do actually PCB area calculation. Since English is not my first language, maybe I just miss-understood. Do you mean, that area has to be just max width * max height? I never seen that, but there's a message in thread about sometimes you need proper area. I utilized kicad outline functions for that.
>Понедельник, 29 июля 2019, 15:35 +03:00 от Mark Roszko <[email protected]>: > >Huh, looking at the statistics code, it actually tries and find the more >"detailed area" of a board based on any polygonal outline. >Is there any value in it this way? PCB manufacturing charges are generally >per-square area because ultimately the price is on panel space you are using. >On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 5:07 AM Diego Herranz < [email protected] >> wrote: >>I've been testing this dialog and I think it is a nice addition. Thanks! >> >>There seems to be something wrong with the area calculation, though. See >>image below: >> >> >>Thanks, >>Diego >>On Tue, 23 Jul 2019 at 11:18, Ian McInerney < [email protected] > >>wrote: >>>Alexander, >>> >>>Instead of declaring the 2 static variables separately, I would suggest >>>creating a struct for the settings then store that as the static variable. >>>For an example of this see the dialog_create_array.cpp file. This way if any >>>new options must be added in the future, they can just be added to the >>>struct very easily. >>> >>>-Ian >>>On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 9:39 PM Alexander Shuklin < [email protected] > >>>wrote: >>>>Damn ><, >>>>don't use last patch, please. >>>>It doesn't count total vias amount. Use this one. >>>> >>>> >>>>>Понедельник, 22 июля 2019, 22:14 +03:00 от Alexander Shuklin < >>>>>[email protected] >: >>>>> >>>>>Hi, >>>>>thanks for sharing experience, as I never used that translations or >>>>>wxWidgets before. And I have no idea where else could I get that >>>>>information. )) >>>>>So, there's the patch with vias information and some tiny improvements. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Понедельник, 22 июля 2019, 13:34 +03:00 от Ian McInerney < >>>>>>[email protected] >: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 11:03 AM Dino Ghilardi < [email protected] > >>>>>>wrote: >>>>>>>Hi Alexander, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>One possible solution for the translation could be put the ":" in a >>>>>>>different column of the table and right-align the field description text >>>>>>>(so all the colons will be aligned). A rapid google search shown that in >>>>>>>French and Vietnamese there should be a space before the colon, while in >>>>>>>the rest of the world there is not, so having the translation for the >>>>>>>":" word seems to make sense. Also another question arises: Is there >>>>>>>some language in which the colon should be another character before the >>>>>>>word? (I'm thinking about spanish where the question mark upside-down >>>>>>>appears before a question...)? ...conclusion: keeping "Height:" and >>>>>>>"Height" as two different words seem to be the solution that gives >>>>>>>maximum flexibility to translators. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>This actually doesn't give them as much flexibility. When translations >>>>>>are done, they need to examine the entire string that needs translating, >>>>>>so the ":" character should be included in the string. Separating out the >>>>>>two portions is the equivalent of saying that every lanugage will follow >>>>>>the same compositional rules. >>>>>> >>>>>>>Another possible solution (probably better then the one above since it >>>>>>>just removes the problem) is to remove the ":" and have the cell borders >>>>>>>in a different color, just like the tables in the "board setup" dialog >>>>>>>(so that you can also take a look at that code to solve also the color >>>>>>>problem seeing how it was solved there). The advantage of this approach >>>>>>>is also having a more consistent "look" through all the dialogs. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>P.S. (a little bit off-topic): >>>>>>>If you move the statistic window and check/uncheck one of the checkboxes >>>>>>>("subctract holes...." or "Exclude components...") the window "jumps" to >>>>>>>the center of the screen (its default position on open): do you have >>>>>>>also this behaviour or it is just on my debian-linux with gtk3? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Cheers, >>>>>>>Dino. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>On 22/07/19 10:13, Alexander Shuklin wrote: >>>>>>>> Hi! >>>>>>>> I'll have a look to add vias count to dialog. >>>>>>>> There's some questions: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1)I don't have too much experience with wxdialogs. There was commit on >>>>>>>> master, which says: >>>>>>>> >> remove settings for fg/bg color: the result is unpredictable: was >>>>>>>> black texts on black background on my computer. >>>>>>>> And now I have all tables with data just in white boxes. Is it how it >>>>>>>> meant to be, or just some misbehavior on different systems? I use >>>>>>>> archlinux x64 OS. >>>>>>>> there's screenshot in attachment >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2) Can we use something like _( "Height" ) + ":" for translation, not >>>>>>>> _( >>>>>>>> "Height:" )? As far as I understand, now we will need to have 2 >>>>>>>> translations, first for "Height" and second for "Height:" but that's >>>>>>>> basically same word. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Воскресенье, 21 июля 2019, 23:42 +03:00 от Dino Ghilardi >>>>>>>> < [email protected] >: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Makes sense. >>>>>>>> Instead of a generic "via count" a more complete table similar to >>>>>>>>the >>>>>>>> one generated in the drill report file could be useful, but may be >>>>>>>>it >>>>>>>> can became quite long if a lot of different drill sizes are used >>>>>>>>(ok, >>>>>>>> scrollbars are made to handle that). >>>>>>>> Also having "vias", "blind vias" and "microvias" count man make >>>>>>>>sense >>>>>>>> (or at least having something like "microvias used: yes/no"), just >>>>>>>>to >>>>>>>> have in board statistics the information about the need of an >>>>>>>>advanced >>>>>>>> pcb manufacturing process. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>> Dino. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 21/07/19 20:54, Mark Roszko wrote: >>>>>>>> > > Since making every hole in the pcb costs time, manufacturers >>>>>>>> > calculate the price of the PCB using also that number. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > A long time ago, holes cost alot. These days if your >>>>>>>>manufacturer is >>>>>>>> > charging alot per hole, you should run far away. Usually >>>>>>>> manufactuers >>>>>>>> > include 20k-40k holes in the base price per panel before they >>>>>>>>start >>>>>>>> > charging you tiny penny amounts for more in some increments of >>>>>>>> > thousands. The CNC machines these days as blazing fast at >>>>>>>>making the >>>>>>>> > holes required and they charge more for the drill bit being worn >>>>>>>> down >>>>>>>> > than the time. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > What does actually cost money is via type and size. Blind vias >>>>>>>>make >>>>>>>> > layer stackups a pain in the butt and micro vias needing lasers. >>>>>>>> > And also going below some via size can significantly add cost >>>>>>>> even if >>>>>>>> > not at microvia size because it requires different machines with >>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>> > precision and smaller drill bits. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > If anything I would say to break down the statistics based on >>>>>>>>via >>>>>>>> type. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 1:55 PM Dino Ghilardi >>>>>>>> < [email protected] <mailto: [email protected] > >>>>>>>> > <mailto: [email protected] >> wrote: >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > I just tried the board statistics dialog and looks good, I like >>>>>>>>it. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > A thing I'd like to have to make it better is adding the number >>>>>>>> of vias >>>>>>>> > to the statistics: Since making every hole in the pcb costs >>>>>>>>time, >>>>>>>> > manufacturers calculate the price of the PCB using also that >>>>>>>>number. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Also the option to save or print a text with the statistics >>>>>>>>report >>>>>>>> > would >>>>>>>> > be nice. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Cheers, >>>>>>>> > Dino. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>>>>>> Post to : [email protected] >>>>>>>> <mailto: [email protected] > >>>>>>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>>>>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Alexander Shuklin >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>>Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>>>>>Post to : [email protected] >>>>>>>Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>>>>>More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-- >>>>>Alexander Shuklin >>>> >>>> >>>>-- >>>>Alexander Shuklin >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>Post to : [email protected] >>>Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>_______________________________________________ >>Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>Post to : [email protected] >>Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > > >-- >Mark >_______________________________________________ >Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >Post to : [email protected] >Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Alexander Shuklin
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