Hi Chris, This looks very interesting and promising. One question I've got: how easy would it be to search for includes along a path? The reason I ask is that that is a pretty basic need for offering customizability of prepackaged stuff.
Kevin On 7/15/06, Christopher Lenz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi folks, > > I'd like to announce a new project that is closely related to Kid: > > <http://markup.edgewall.org/> > > I'm calling it a "toolkit for stream-based generation of markup for > the web". The largest part is actually an XML-based template engine > that is heavily inspired by Kid. > > The story behind this started when we played with the idea of using > Kid in Trac (replacing the venerable ClearSilver template engine). > Many in the Trac team agreed that Kid represented the best option out > there for templating in Python. I personally started seriously > investigating Kid on DrProject, which is a fork of Trac "tailored for > academic use". DrProject successfully migrated to Kid, and thereby > improved the templating story a lot for the most part. But there were > also a number of things that annoyed me enough that I lost confidence > in whether we could pull off the migration for Trac itself, where the > risk of such a big change is much higher. > > The major issues were: > * error handling/reporting for stuff like syntax/runtime errors in > expressions > * expression evaluation being "too strict": I didn't like getting > NameErrors from templates for undefined variables; plus I'd have > liked foo.bar and foo['bar'] to be interchangeable. > * variable name scoping / conflicts with Kid-internal names > * no way to include non-ElementTree markup in the output without > parsing it again (which is a problem if you want to do syntax > highlighting with tools such as Enscript, which produce rather awful > HTML code) > > In addition, I must say I'm rather skeptical about the whole idea of > compiling templates to code. This aversion actually goes back to the > JSP days :-P > > Anyway, I started work on Markup someday, taking the ideas I liked > best about Kid, and trying a different design to get rid of the > annoyances. It started as a "for fun" sort of project, but has worked > out much better than I initially expected. You can read up on the > various aspects of Markup on the website (and in the code), so I'll > stop here. > > Now, I guess some of you folks working on Kid may be annoyed by this, > some may be tempted to claim NIH and all that. I'd just like to say > that the inspiration for Markup is based entirely on Kid, and I'm > sure not trying to hide that. Markup is still in alpha state, and has > only recently been made available to the general public (and without > much of an announcement). If the Kid community is interested in > joining forces in any way, I'm completely open to suggestions. > > Cheers, > Chris > -- > Christopher Lenz > cmlenz at gmx.de > http://www.cmlenz.net/ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > _______________________________________________ > kid-template-discuss mailing list > kid-template-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/kid-template-discuss > -- Kevin Dangoor TurboGears / Zesty News email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] company: http://www.BlazingThings.com blog: http://www.BlueSkyOnMars.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 _______________________________________________ kid-template-discuss mailing list kid-template-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/kid-template-discuss
