Kang tirta, tiasa ukeun ID YM na? Nuhun On Sat Oct 16th, 2010 4:44 AM EDT Tirta widjaja wrote:
>Maksadna waspada santun heu heu pami patarosan teu kajawab nya ulah teras2an >jadi kalebet ngetes atawa ngawiwirang. Saena eta tanda kedah milari ustadz, >guru >nu sanes... > ~ experientia docet sapientiam ~ > > > > >________________________________ >From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2010 15:22:46 >Subject: Re: [kisunda] Fw: Atheis leuwih apal agama-Jahil murakkab > > >Nya puguh atuh kang, pasti nganggo adab, da teu mungkin ka pa ustad sareng >ajengan naros siga ka sapantar atanapi sahandapeun.. Nu matak belajar ningali >kalebet supados teu kalimpedan kulit luar.. Sok belajar nya.. > >Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® >________________________________ > >From: Tirta widjaja <[email protected]> >Sender: [email protected] >Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 01:11:49 -0700 (PDT) >To: <[email protected]> >ReplyTo: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [kisunda] Fw: Atheis leuwih apal agama-Jahil murakkab > >Diajar, tataros teh kapan aya adabna mangga di gugel seueur geura naon >adab2na, >diantawisna: > > http://doktermuslim.wordpress.com/2009/11/13/adab-adab-menuntut-ilmu-dan-beberapa-sifat-yang-harus-dijauhi/ > > ~ experientia docet sapientiam ~ > > > > >________________________________ >From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2010 14:47:36 >Subject: Re: [kisunda] Fw: Atheis leuwih apal agama-Jahil murakkab > > >Tah kitu kang, abdi seueur pangalaman pami seueur teuing naros ka pa ustad >atanapi ajengan the kalah dituduh teu ngahargaan cenah, nyepelekeun cenah, teu >percaya kana qur'an hadis cenah > >Haaar pan matak naros the palay terang kusabab teu terang sareng teu acan >ngartos.. Janten syarat na hoyong janten guru mah sanes pinter, rajin >maca,luhur >elmu, luhur sakolana, tapi nu paling penting mah, sabar ngalayanan patarosan >murid, ulah salah sangka ka murid... > >Hehehe duka abdi nu belet, atawa ustadna nu belet.. Janten we seueur >pertanyaan >ngagantung dina mastaka abdi, lieur we jantena abdi > >Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® >________________________________ > >From: oman abdurahman <[email protected]> >Sender: [email protected] >Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 14:41:58 +0700 >To: <[email protected]> >ReplyTo: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [kisunda] Fw: Atheis leuwih apal agama-Jahil murakkab > >Salah sahiji anu moal bisa dihalang-halang ti manusa nyaeta: >"Keingintahuannya, >hasratnya untuk selalu bertanya, kesadarannya untuk mencari kebenaran". Di >jihat >lain, manusa gampang pisan mere gelar atawa julukan negatif kana paham atawa >pamadegan atawa papanggihan ti anu lian, utamana ti anu teu sapamadegan atawa >teu sapaham atawa teu kaharti jeung/ku dirina inyana. Karana sakitu, leres >kasauran Syaidina Ali kw (punten dina bhs Indonesia):"Musuh manusia itu adalah >ketidaktahuannya". > >manar > > > > >2010/10/16 <[email protected]> > > >>Sigana mah teu aya ustad atawa pendeta nu mampu ngajawab patarosan jalmi2 >>jenius >>sapertos hawking, janten we atheis, nu lepat na mah pemuka2 agama teu siap2 >>nerangkeun agama ka jalmi2 jenius nu sok terus ngudag ku pertanyaan... Janten >>sanes salah nu jenius >>Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® >________________________________ > >>From: Tirta widjaja <[email protected]> >>Sender: [email protected] >>Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 00:29:27 -0700 (PDT) >>To: <[email protected]> >>ReplyTo: [email protected] >>Subject: Re: [kisunda] Fw: Atheis leuwih apal agama-Jahil murakkab >> >> >>Ieu surelek terakhir minggon ieu ngeunaan atheis leuwih apal >>agama.........oge >>masih resep ngabandungan, sok atuh tareraskeun baraya ulah areureun.....(mun >>ceuk iklan mah: "mana spiritmu?") >> ~ experientia docet sapientiam ~ >> >> >> >> >> >________________________________ >From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>To: [email protected] >>Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 16:17:50 >>Subject: Re: [kisunda] Fw: Atheis leuwih apal agama-Jahil murakkab >> >> >>Kade ah aya nu sok ambekeun ngalelewe teh.. Ke ge aya nu ngajorowok geura, >>pami >>aya, urang nyumput deui >> >>Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® >________________________________ > >>From: Koko Budiman <[email protected]> >>Sender: [email protected] >>Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 14:10:01 +0800 (SGT) >>To: <[email protected]> >>ReplyTo: [email protected] >>Subject: Re: [kisunda] Fw: Atheis leuwih apal agama-Jahil murakkab >> >> >>atuh palay dilepatkeun ? Hahahahaha >> >>--- Pada Kam, 14/10/10, [email protected] <[email protected]> menulis: >> >> >>>Dari: [email protected] <[email protected]> >>>Judul: Re: [kisunda] Fw: Atheis leuwih apal agama-Jahil murakkab >>>Kepada: [email protected] >>>Tanggal: Kamis, 14 Oktober, 2010, 5:08 PM >>> >>> >>> >>>Hahahahahaha ampun si akang, leres deui wae hehehehe >>>Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® >________________________________ > >>>From: "Roza R. Mintaredja" <[email protected]> >>>Sender: [email protected] >>>Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 00:03:37 +0700 >>>To: <[email protected]> >>>ReplyTo: [email protected] >>>Subject: Re: [kisunda] Fw: Atheis leuwih apal agama-Jahil murakkab >>> >>> >>>leres, heheheeeeee >>> >>> >>> >>>2010/10/15 <[email protected]> >>> >>> >>>>Nu jelasmah kang, pami sadayana nyebat nu ieu leres nu itu leres, janten >>>>lieur >>>>nu nongton, dina parapatan pami nu itu piwaran maju, nu ieu piwarang maju >>>>nya >>>>ngajebred tea, tidagor, kalah rame hehehehe >>>>Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® >________________________________ > >>>>From: "Roza R. Mintaredja" <[email protected]> >>>>Sender: [email protected] >>>>Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 23:54:43 +0700 >>>>To: <[email protected]> >>>>ReplyTo: [email protected] >>>>Subject: Re: [kisunda] Fw: Atheis leuwih apal agama-Jahil murakkab >>>> >>>> >>>>leres! hehehee( angger silih benerkeun) >>>>eta kacipta mun urang dina riungan/pasamoan >>>>nu aya teh silih benerkeun >>>>lain silih lepatkeun >>>>damai di bumi boa >>>>suuuugan >>>> >>>> >>>>2010/10/14 JeBe <[email protected]> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Rarasaan teu aya nu ngalepatkeun oge teu aya nu ngabenerkeun dina surelek >>>>>eta.... ngan tanda tanya weh nu ngabring... >>>>> >>>>>Sent from MobilePhone® >________________________________ > >>>>>From: [email protected] >>>>>Sender: [email protected] >>>>>Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 14:51:29 +0000 >>>>>To: <[email protected]> >>>>>ReplyTo: [email protected] >>>>>Subject: Re: [kisunda] Fw: Atheis leuwih apal agama-Jahil murakkab >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Leres pan, lepatna di mana ? >>>>>Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® >________________________________ > >>>>>From: "Roza R. Mintaredja" <[email protected]> >>>>>Sender: [email protected] >>>>>Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 21:43:28 +0700 >>>>>To: <[email protected]> >>>>>ReplyTo: [email protected] >>>>>Subject: Re: [kisunda] Fw: Atheis leuwih apal agama-Jahil murakkab >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>aya sms nu katampi ku uin, kieu unina: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>aku tdk membutuhkan sahabat yg beragama, >>>>>krn tuhan itu tdk jelas agamanya >>>>>aku membutuhkan sahabat yg universal sifatnya, >>>>>spt sang pencipta yg universal >>>>>dan hadir dimana-mana..... >>>>>??????????????????? >>>>>hn*0catea >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>2010/10/14 <[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Taklid buta we >>>>>>Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® >>>>>> >________________________________ > >>>>>>From: "Roza R. Mintaredja" <[email protected]> >>>>>>Sender: [email protected] >>>>>>Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 20:49:46 +0700 >>>>>>To: <[email protected]> >>>>>>ReplyTo: [email protected] >>>>>>Subject: Re: [kisunda] Fw: Atheis leuwih apal agama-Jahil murakkab >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>leres kg ilen, kg koes oge kg zen lan baraya , >>>>>>sadayana teu aya anu lepat >>>>>>sabab anu jadi masalah nyeta dina pasualaninterpretasi ngeunaan >>>>>>penghayatan kapercayaan thd tuhan yme >>>>>>katingalna dibagi tilu kelompok interpretasi : >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>kahiji, anutaklid buta >>>>>>kadua, anumasih mikir-mikir, ngaguar,neangan >>>>>>katilu anutos jembar paham dina hal ngeunaan ka'gusti'an >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>sok mangga, bade dikelompok mana urang2 teh ayana? >>>>>>hn*ocatea >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>2010/10/12 Mohammad zen <[email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>aya carita jahil murakkab (ngalipet) tea geuningan >>>>>>> >>>>>>>aya dua jalmi di padang pasir si A jeung si B we urang namian, kadua2na >>>>>>>ningali >>>>>>>ti kajauhan hiji sato ... >>>>>>>ari ceuk si A teh itu naon nya >>>>>>>B : itu mah Munding >>>>>>>A: Ah maenya munding kitu >>>>>>>B : eh teu percaya manehmah ka kuring teh >>>>>>>A: Hayu atuh urang deukeutan, >>>>>>>B : ah teu kudu, ceuk urang munding munding pasti 100 persen >>>>>>>A: Nya kudu ditaliti atuh >>>>>>> >>>>>>>teras si A jeung si B ngadeukeutan eta sato >>>>>>> >>>>>>>A: ah katingalina mah manuk euy lain munding >>>>>>>B : eh sia mah ngalawan ka kaula geus puguh eta teh munding >>>>>>> >>>>>>>pas ngadeukeutan hiber tah eta sato teh >>>>>>> >>>>>>>A: Tuh kan maneh salah , manuk eta mah lain munding , pan hiber , >>>>>>>munding mah >>>>>>>teu bisa hiber >>>>>>>B : Ah manehmah walaupun hiber tetep munding, walau hiber >>>>>>>munding.munding >>>>>>>..ding..ding ..ding... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >________________________________ >From: Koko Budiman <[email protected]> >>>>>>>To: [email protected] >>>>>>>Sent: Mon, October 11, 2010 8:48:53 AM >>>>>>>Subject: Re: [kisunda] Fw: Atheis leuwih apal agama-->Re: Fw: Alam >>>>>>>Semesta, >>>>>>>Hawking, dan Tuhan >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>muhun nya? hehehehe >>>>>>> >>>>>>>--- Pada Ming, 10/10/10, engkus ruswana <[email protected]> >>>>>>>menulis: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Dari: engkus ruswana <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>Judul: Re: [kisunda] Fw: Atheis leuwih apal agama-->Re: Fw: Alam >>>>>>>>Semesta, >>>>>>>>Hawking, dan Tuhan >>>>>>>>Kepada: [email protected] >>>>>>>>Tanggal: Minggu, 10 Oktober, 2010, 5:27 AM >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Leres kang Ilen kang Oca, sabab lolobana dina ajaran agama teh sok >>>>>>>>sering >>>>>>>>nekenkeun "kudu Iman" teu kudu kahontal ku akal, sabab akal manusa aya >>>>>>>>watesna. >>>>>>>>Padahal ari nu disebut iman/yakin teh teu bisa dipaksakeun...nya ahirna >>>>>>>>jadi >>>>>>>>iimanan dan dipaksa kudu iman tea.... padahal rek kumaha urang yakin >>>>>>>>rasa gula >>>>>>>>amis lamun can pernah ngasaan/dahar gula..... Beda pan mun aya jalma nu >>>>>>>>nyebut >>>>>>>>gula teh asin...... pasti urang moal goyah tina kayakinan yen gula teh >>>>>>>>amis. >>>>>>>>Beda jeung sual agama.... lain hal nu teu lumrah, manusa aya nu pindah >>>>>>>>agama. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Lian ti eta, konsep atawa cap atheis teh, umumna dikaitkeun kana >>>>>>>>patokan agama >>>>>>>>samawi....da dina agama "non samawi" mah asa can pernah manggihan >>>>>>>>konsep atheis >>>>>>>>teh. Jadi sanajan ngayakinan jeung ngajalankeun agama (contona agama >>>>>>>>lokal).... >>>>>>>>eeh dianggapna teh Atheis bae, he...he...he.... padahal nu mere vonis >>>>>>>>atheis ka >>>>>>>>batur teh, can tangtu leuwih hade tekad-ucap jeung lampahna. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>pun. >>>>>>>>Engkus >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>--- Pada Jum, 8/10/10, ilen kardani <[email protected]> menulis: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Dari: ilen kardani <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>Judul: Re: [kisunda] Fw: Atheis leuwih apal agama-->Re: Fw: Alam >>>>>>>>>Semesta, >>>>>>>>>Hawking, dan Tuhan >>>>>>>>>Kepada: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>Tanggal: Jumat, 8 Oktober, 2010, 1:17 AM >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Baraya, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Nu matak juragan Hawking nyabit-nyabit Tuhan oge meureunan percaya >>>>>>>>>dina hate >>>>>>>>>leutik na mah kana Tuhan ngan sigana definisi Tuhan anu kapanggih ku >>>>>>>>>anjeuna ti >>>>>>>>>pelajaran agama teu bisa diadumaniskeun jeung kanyataan anu kapanggih >>>>>>>>>ku >>>>>>>>>panalungtikanana. Tungguan we sugan sakeudeung deui Hawking >>>>>>>>>ngaluarkeun konsep >>>>>>>>>Tuhan anu leuwih universal nu katarima ku sakabeh manusa, lain Tuhan >>>>>>>>>versi A >>>>>>>>>atawa versi B anu boga kahayang lain-lain. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Baktos, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>ilen kardani >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >________________________________ >From: Roza R. Mintaredja <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>Sent: Thu, October 7, 2010 12:29:53 PM >>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [kisunda] Fw: Atheis leuwih apal agama-->Re: Fw: Alam >>>>>>>>>Semesta, >>>>>>>>>Hawking, dan Tuhan >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>atheis lebih mengerti agama? lebih tahu atawa lebih ngerti? kunaon >>>>>>>>>lebih >>>>>>tahu? >>>>>>>>>biasana mah anu atheis teh nyekel agama heula >>>>>>>>>dibulak balik, pulang anting...ahirna teu kataekan, kaluar ti agama >na... >>>>>>>>>conto ekstrim juragan karl marx tea. >>>>>>>>>nya pasti leuwih nyaho da neuleumanna anteng! >>>>>>>>>nu jadi pertanyaan , logika naon anu dipake neuleuman agamana teh? >>>>>>>>>hanteu make dasar ka imanan heula >>>>>>>>>da kaimanan mah tibubudak di doktrin, pas kakolotnakeun , otakna >>>>jalan/aktif >>>>>>>>>muncul hal hal anu pagedrug dina pikiran jeung batinna >>>>>>>>>ngan mun dipake basa agama mah murtad tea, teu iman >>>>>>>>>padahal aya katerangan universal >>>>>>>>>agama tanpa akal, lain agama >>>>>>>>>peso raut analisana anu beda >>>>>>>>>da eta pamikiran berontak ti agama anu dianut mimiti jadi protestan >>>>>>>>>conto, katolik jadi protestan; hindu jadi buda, islam jadi... ahmadyah? >>>>>>>>>jadi dina pamikiranana >>>>>>>>>naaaaa ari gusti teh jiga nu kitu patut? >>>>>>>>>naaaa ari ritualna kudu kitu? >>>>>>>>>acan carita anu parindah agama. (lain kusaba kawin beda agama) >>>>>>>>>hn*0catea >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>2010/10/7 Waluya <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Tirta widjaja <tirt...@...> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> > Bah saur sepuh nu katampi eta iman tiasa ditingal tina buahna >>>>>>>>>>> nyaeta >>>>>>>>>>> amal, ari amal kedah gaduh elmuna. Iman, elmu, amal eta >>>>>>>>>>> sabeungkeutan....Matak pami >>>>>>>>>>> neuleuman kaimanan tangtos sanes ku ngaduk2 eusi hatena tapi >>>>>>>>>>> ngangge >>>>>>>>>>> eunteung ti amal sareng elmuna. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Ceuk hasil survey di Amerika, jelema nu teu percaya Tuhan, leuwih >>>>>>>>>>nyaho agama >>>>>>>>>>tibatan nu ngaku boga kayakinan/ agama. Tapi ieu di Amerika, duka di >>>>>>>>>>Indonesia >>>>>>>>>>mah .... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Atheis Lebih Tahu Agama >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Kamis, 30 September 2010 | 17:42 WIB >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>TEMPO Interaktif, WASHINGTON, DC -Boleh percaya boleh tidak. Orang >>>>>>>>>>yang tak >>>>>>>>>>percaya Tuhan (atheis) dan tak peduli dengan keberadaan Tuhan >>>>>>>>>>(agnostic) di >>>>>>>>>>Amerika Serikat ternyata lebih tahu banyak tentang agama ketimbang >>>>>>>>>>orang yang >>>>>>>>>>mengaku beriman. Setidaknya begitulah hasil jajak suara yang digelar >>>>>>>>>>Pew Forum >>>>>>>>>>on Religion & Public Life di negeri itu, Kamis (30/9). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Seperti dikutip dari situs majalah online Christian Science Monitor, >>>>>>>>>>hasil itu >>>>>>>>>>diperoleh setelah Pew memberikan 32 daftar pertanyaan kepada 3.400 >>>>>>>>>>responden di >>>>>>>>>>sekujur Amerika Serikat. Pertanyaan itu menyangkut pelajaran >>>>>>>>>>Al-Kitab, Islam, >>>>>>>>>>Buddha, Hindu, dan Judaisme, serta peran agama dalam kehidupan >>>>>>>>>>bermasyarakat di >>>>>>>>>>sana. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Hasilnya, rata-rata orang yang mengaku atheis dan agnostic mampu >>>>>>>>>>menjawab 20,9 >>>>>>>>>>dari 32 pertanyaan dengan benar (hampir 65,3 persen). Adapun Yahudi >>>>>>>>>>dan Mormon >>>>>>>>>>(Agama Mormon didirikan kurang dari 200 tahun lalu oleh seorang yang >>>>>>>>>>bernama >>>>>>>>>>Joseph Smith) mampu menjawab masing-masing 64 persen dan 63,4 persen >>>>>>>>>>dengan >>>>>>>>>>benar. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Bagaimana dengan mereka yang mengaku Kristen? Mereka hanya mampu >>>>>>>>>>menjawab 17,6 >>>>>>>>>>dari 32 pertanyaan secara benar. Penganut Katolik, kata Pew, menjawab >>>>>>>>>>pertanyaan >>>>>>>>>>secara buruk karena cuma sekitar 15 pertanyaan yang mereka bisa jawab >>>>>>>>>>secara >>>>>>>>>>benar. Hanya sedikit umat Islam, Hindu, dan Buddha yang ikut ambil >>>>>>>>>>bagian dalam >>>>>>>>>>survei ini. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Lembaga survei itu juga menyimpulkan bahwa kebanyakan umat Kristen >>>>>>>>>>tak tahu >>>>>>>>>>peranan Martin Luther King dalam Reformasi, dan kebanyakan umat >>>>>>>>>>Katolik di sana >>>>>>>>>>tak paham tentang transubstansiasi (konsep Ekaristi dalam Komuni >>>>>>>>>>Kudus). Begitu >>>>>>>>>>juga dengan penganut Judaisme yang tak tahu bahwa filosof Maimonides >>>>>>>>>>adalah >>>>>>>>>>seorang Yahudi. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Bukan hanya itu. Jajak pendapat mendapati hanya kurang dari separuh >>>>>>>>>>responden >>>>>>>>>>yang tahu kalau Dalai Lama itu seorang imam Buddha. Hanya 38 persen >>>>>>>>>>dari >>>>>>>>>>responden yang tahun kalau Wisnu dan Syiwa itu indentik dengan Hindu, >>>>>>>>>>dan hanya >>>>>>>>>>seperempat warga Amerika Serikat yang tahu kalau Indonesia itu negara >>>>>>>>>>dengan >>>>>>>>>>umat Islam terbesar di dunia. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >> > > > > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kisunda/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kisunda/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
