"Don Tosaw (BigLeftTent.net)" wrote:
Actually, I see it differently. I believe that the root of the
problem is right-wing corporate control of too much of the mainstream media.
The Left is making a concerted effort to do something about this,
but we face a daunting task. Air America radio is growing and making an
impact, but it will take time. They just got started 7 months ago
and are growing rapidly. We should not abandon our main social message
of economic opportunity and economic and social justice for all. I
think that this message will have growing appeal over time. Also, we must
eliminate unauditable electronic voting systems and somehow motivate
more young voters to vote.
In the closing days of the election, I believe that John Kerry spent
too much time taking about terrorism and security and not enough
time talking about jobs, Social Security and affordable health care.
Don Tosaw
My (Klo) reply,
I don't think that is the problem.
I said the following 7 months ago on Sat, 17 Apr 2004
One can also state with near certainty that if the Bush regime
is still in power this time next year, the American people will have
experienced the first coup d� etat in the history of American presidential
elections and the limited democracy of the United States will be no
more. The
United States will be under the rule of a minority and dictatorship
will reign supreme. No matter what polls will show to justify a �Bush
victory� in November, should it be proclaimed, and no matter how the
media will attempt to rationalize the vote count, the fact will remain
that bourgeois democracy will have been overthrown with the assistance
and camoflage provided by pollsters, vote counters, and media
mouthpieces who are owned, financed, and dominated by the fattest of
the fat cats, Bush�s strongest allies.
The following conversation took place the next day: Sun, 18 Apr 2004
Dave Grimesey wrote:
I wish I could agree with you on this...I really do.
Unfortunately, the American people are too stupid to not vote for him.
They still
like him personally and think he is a cool dude. Many Americans still vote
[for President]as if this was a high school student council election.
Yeah, he screwed everything up and yeah he lied, but gosh I like him
so I'll vote for him again and give him a second chance. That is what
they think and that is why he will win again. If you think differently,
please speak up because I want to be wrong.
DAVE
My reply,
Bush has no chance and should he be declared the winner on Nov
3, that will only bring into play the final comments in my prior post.
A coup
d' etat will have occurred despite all lies, propaganda, and coverups
to the contrary. The American people as a whole are not as detached from
reality as you are alleging.
What determines elections more than anything else are
material conditions and two of the most critical are the economy (jobs, gas
prices, etc.) and war. The record of the Bush regime in these
respects is abysmal.
Although many Americans do vote as you suggest millions of
others are not wedded to any candidate and will throw out their brother
if he is
not producing. They don't intend to go over a cliff for anyone.
for the cause,
Klo
The following exchange occurred the same day, on 18 Apr 2004
Andrew Hood wrote:
But what do you thank about the CIA factor on this dawg when he
blamed them for not finding WMDs in Iraq and let his administration out
a covert CIA employee?
My reply,
I would not put anything past the Bushites when it comes to
staying in office but the important point is to make the American
people aware of
what I said in a prior post: If the Bushites are in power this time
next year, the presidency of the United States will have been seized
in a surreptitious coup d' etat and any semblance of democracy will have
been trashed. I don't care what the pollsters, vote counters, or
media mouthpieces would be alleging in November. They are all paid
bourgeois agents of the most blatant variety or dupes. Anyone who
would buy
their spiel defending a Bush "victory" would be brainwashed.
for the cause,
Klo
NOV 3RD ADDENDUM TO MY COMMENTS:
The felonious manipulation of votes, voting machines, vote counting,
and vote assimilation in the Nov. 2004 election, along with the absence
of any means by which to check many key votes through paper
duplications, etc., has destroyed all future credibility of American
presidential elections. People exercising their franchise should
realize that their votes are accumulated, shipped, sorted, counted, and
dispersed to even larger assimiliation centers by people who are
themselves anything but objective, neutral or dispassionate. Those
involved in these procedures are often some of the most active political
figures and have a vested interest in the outcome, not to mention the
fact that they can be persuaded to make alterations, deletions, and
additions to votes and machines by outside forces and enticements. This
is the political equivalent of having the weasel guard the henhouse. In
effect, it is no different than having candidates gather and count votes
cast in their own election. This is a prescription for disaster,
especially in a nation as polarized as the United States in which
crypto-fascist groups are willing to employ any means to obtain victory
with little concern for legality, ethics, integrity, or morality. In
light of these circumstances it has become abundantly apparent that
presidential elections in which fair and impartial employees and
volunteers are in charge of all activities throughout the entire process
are no longer possible in the United States. A new approach involving
the use of far more neutral foreign personnel to gather and count the
votes has become mandatory, as has been true in many national elections
throughout the world. Why should the US be any different if conditions
warrant.
Tens of thousands of International observers and
counters must be employed on a broad scale and in key battle areas. The
financial cost will be substantial but there is no longer an
alternative. The fairness and objectivity so necessary for an American
election to have credibility no longer exists and there is no means by
which it can be restored without a major infusion of neutral control and
administration accompanied by many procedural reforms.
In the terms of the vernacular, the 2004 election was stolen.
Clearly a large team of highly paid experts has developed the art of
stealing, rather than winning, elections to a well-honed science,
complete with camoflage, deception, and finances. Felonious acts are
primarily employed in areas where the vote will be close or in districts
where the vote will be overwhelmingly favorable to the other side. In
order to evade detection most effectively, illegal activity is
understandably restricted as much as is practical but the American
Right-wing now has no hesitation about employing it when deemed
necessary. The crypto-fascist aspect permeating this entire travesty is
transparent and all too obvious, especially when pre-election surveys
and exit polls differ dramatically from final counts.
For the cause,
Klo
PS. I wrote a heavily researched book entitled READING HITLER,
RECOUNTING BUSH which not only proves how they duplicate one another in
many key respects but is an excellent harbinger of what occurred on Nov. 2nd.
It can be read at: http://www.geocities.com/klomckin/
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