On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 11:04:54AM +0100, Ross Lagerwall wrote:
> On 09/22/2016 09:38 PM, Jessica Yu wrote:
> > +++ Ross Lagerwall [21/09/16 16:47 +0100]:
> > > On 09/20/2016 03:25 PM, Josh Poimboeuf wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 02:05:36PM +0100, Ross Lagerwall wrote:
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > > 
> > > > > The recommended way of applying multiple patches is to apply 
> > > > > cumulative
> > > > > patches on top of the existing ones [1].
> > > > > 
> > > > > If the first patch introduces some new static/global data, the
> > > > > second patch,
> > > > > being cumulative, will define the same new static/global data. When 
> > > > > the
> > > > > second patch is loaded, it will use its own copy of the new data
> > > > > which may
> > > > > not contain the same values as the existing data from patch 1.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Has this problem been considered at all? Are there any known 
> > > > > solutions?
> > > > > 
> > > > > [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/kpatch/2015-November/msg00001.html
> > > > 
> > > > Hi Ross,
> > > > 
> > > > Hm, I don't think we've ever considered this issue.  At least in my
> > > > experience, I've never needed to add a global variable which needed to
> > > > keep its value across a cumulative update.
> > > 
> > > Fair enough.
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Is this more of a theoretical question, or did you encounter this issue
> > > > with a real patch?
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > It's more of a theoretical question. I was wondering if this would
> > > cause issues when patching a machine over a long period of time. But
> > > if you think these types of patches wouldn't be needed, then perhaps
> > > its not a problem.
> > 
> > Interesting question. I don't think we've ever considered this case
> > directly, but that's not to say it'd never come up. I would imagine
> > though that handling such dependencies between old and new patch
> > modules would quickly become cumbersome...
> 
> Have you ever considered building kpatch modules as differentials against
> the previous kpatch? i.e. if you have one kpatch module loaded, the second
> kpatch is built against the original source plus the source patch for the
> first kpatch module.
> 
> In this case, the second kpatch could use the global variable from the 1st
> kpatch rather than introducing a second copy of it.

It might be nice to do incremental patching instead of the cumulative
patching we do today.  But to do that, kpatch-build and
livepatch/kpatch.ko would need to modified to be able to detect and
manage dependencies between patches.

I don't think we've really looked into what it would take to achieve
that, but my feeling is that it wouldn't be trivial.  

-- 
Josh

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