On Feb 11, 2005, at 12:07 PM, Stewart Stremler wrote:

This is my major problem with emacs, I suspect.  The amount I need to
memorize is simply boggling.

Oh, and vi doesn't? Puh-lease.

I've been using vi for over a decade and *still* have to look up the search-and-destroy syntax because something went weird or I have to escape some bizarre character (so what is the vi command to replace the Macintosh end-of-line character with the standard Unix cr-lf? That's vanilla vi ... not vim ... not vigor .. vee aye). Oh, and please explain to me that fact that one of the first things that every Unix user memorizes is the sequence to exit vi.

Plus having to use the control-key for damn near everything.

Valid complaint.

A lot of the emacs vs. vi war is actually a modal vs. modeless flamewar. That tends to be a personal preference.

Yes, I'm posting a pointless flamewar. I have a bug I really don't want to
work on, sorry.

Heh. You mutants with an oversized sinister pinkie finger can do what you want -- just stop expecting us normal humans to agree that your deviant ways are somehow superior.

Excuse me. You vi people use that same pinky to reach half the freakin' way up the keyboard to hit the Escape key every time you want to do something and you complain about *emacs* people being mutants. We emacs people only have to move our pinky from the A key over to the control key. What's the problem?


Oh, wait, you're using one of those silly Pee Cee keyboards that has Caps Lock in the place where the Almighty intended the Control key to be. So sorry ...

BTW, the true vi hacks I know actually map the ESC key to caps lock. Even they know that the key left of A should be special under the laws of Unix and man.

They have already taken the first step. At some point they will reach enlightenment and join us in the Church of Emacs.

Besides, knowing emacs means never having to learn a new OS. It works the same on all of them. ;)

-a

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