John H. Robinson, IV said:

> This security guy lives in Fantasy Land.

I beg to differ, he does indeed live in the real world. You are the
one who has a tenuous grasp on reality. :-)

If you read his bio http://www.ranum.com/ you would not be making
statements about him living in a Fantasy Land. He was one of the
writers of TIS FWTK, which was written to protect the White House
network.

Of courese few people seem to like network security admins, because
they always impinge upon the user's "ease of use".

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