On Saturday 03 December 2005 10:50 am, Stewart Stremler wrote:
> begin  quoting Andrew Lentvorski as of Fri, Dec 02, 2005 at 09:54:45PM -0800:
> > boblq wrote:
> > >Now what does one gain with an IDE? I am not
> > >trolling. I really would like to know what people
> > >get out of these things.
>
>
> > Refactoring and hoisting assistance in the editor
>
> I use a standalone refactoring tool (RefactorIT), so integration into
> the environment/editor might be nice, but it hasn't been necessary. Esp.
> now that vim will autoload changed files for me.

OK. I refactor fairly often since I am _not_ a prescient designer. 
I do it by hand and am ignorant of these tools. 

How about a quick tutorial. 

> > From my point of view, IDE's allow more information to be present on my
> > screen at a simultaneous glance than anything else.
>
> I've yet to figure out how to get it to display the information I want
> to see rather than the information the designers thought it was
> important I had access to.
>
> If the information you want to see is there already, an IDE would be
> a godsend.  If you have to fight the tool to get at the information you
> want, it's a barrier.
>
> If I'm using only xterm for development, my typical layout is something
> like:
>
>
>                        +------------------------------+
>
>      +------------------------------+   +------------------------------+
>
>      |                              |---|                              |
>      |                              |
>      |                              |   +------------------------------+
>      |                              |
>      |                              |   +------------------------------+
>      |                              |
>      |                              |---|                              |
>
>      +------------------------------+   +------------------------------+
>
>                        +------------------------------+
>
>
> I generally have code up on at least two windows; one window for
> building; one window for test-runs; one window for 'research'
> (although for Java, I prefer a browser and a second monitor).
>
> This varies depending on the size of the monitor, the capability to
> use virtual desktops, the presence of a second monitor, etc.
>
> The default behavior of gvim is to spawn a window and detach, which
> generally leads to more gvim windows and fewer terminal windows,
> as I only need one "editor" window.
>
> -Stewart "The best programming aid is a second monitor." Stremler

Chuckle, just as I started reading this section I said to myself,
"I don't want an IDE, I want a huge monitor, say about 10,000
pixels square." Cause I do pretty much what Stremler does. 

BTW, Tracy was exploring dual monitor systems a while back. 
How about a report. Feel free to change the Subject line :) 

BobLQ



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