begin  quoting Lan Barnes as of Wed, Nov 29, 2006 at 11:36:46AM -0800:
> 
> On Tue, November 28, 2006 7:48 pm, Stewart Stremler wrote:
> > begin  quoting Lan Barnes as of Tue, Nov 28, 2006 at 06:59:08PM -0800:
> >> This has all the code words for an SEI CMM Level 0 environment.
> >
> > Given my experience working on or with CMMI projects, that might not
> > be a bad thing.
> 
> It's not a bad thing. It's a REALLY REALLY bad thing.

Heh.

At project[-2], deployment consisted of the 3 best programmers spending
3 days 'making it work'. Classic CMM Level 0, IIRC. I got it down to 1
person spending half-an-hour. Without creating any documents or forms. 
Because I didn't generate any "processes", it was still, technically,
Level 0 (IIRC).

The problem with metrics is that instead of designing a solution to
solve a problem, people end up eventually designing a solution to meet
the metric.  Sure, they *say* that they're trying to solve a problem,
but there's intent, and then there's what actually happens.

> > Still....  Heroic efforts?
> >
> > I don't do frantic anymore. It doesn't pay off in the long run.
> 
> Things are messy enough at level 3.5, which is about where we are.

If you're still solving the problem instead of trying to match a metric,
you're doing good.  More than good; you're godlike in your restraint and
wisdom.

> Level 0 is where I do my personal projects, and look where they turn out.

I hear you. Most of my projects are "in progress [suspended]"... :-/

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