On Monday 22 October 2007 01:03:18 Andrew Lentvorski wrote:
> Dexter Filmore wrote:
> > Yes, but TFTs didn't start at only 8" meant as a computer display.
>
> Um, are you a young'un? ;)
>
> Your statement is factually incorrect.  See: Mac Powerbook 170 9.8"
> 640x400 and and Powerbook 180c 8.4" 640x480.  Egregiously expensive,
> power hungry, and notorious for pixel failures.

Whowowow, I'm talking desktop computer. TFTs as a CRT replacement.

>
> This was at the start of TFT's.  At the time, nobody dreamed that they
> would eventually replace CRT's.

Yes, and noone came up with the idea to replace desktop CRT unless 14" were 
available at a reasonable price.

> > Has to do with how OLEDs are produced. Producing a *small* OLED panel is
> > easy, and those go at below 60 bucks in RGB. But as soon as you increase
> > panel size, you have to make bigger light emitting cells.
>
> You can also make more of the same size.  Just like TFT's.  A single
> pixel error on a TFT TV doesn't drop an area a quarter inch square.  It
> only wipes a single element of the cluster.

Yes... has to do with my point.. what?

>
> > You don't have that
> > problem with TFT since you only have to make a larger backlight area and
> > cover that with larger LC fields. Not too hard.
>
> Yeah, tell that to the poor engineers who had to slog through this "not
> too hard" problem and the companies who have to invest in completely new
> fabs at each new generation.  There is a reason that TFT prices are
> exponential with number of pixels.

Still OLED is a great deal different from TFT tech. Light emitting, say 
generating while polarized light shading from a background. 
Hard to compare.
You increase the size of the panel you increase the area that has to emit 
light. On TFTs you have a larger area of crystals but they behave the same 
when applying current. Whoch molcules emit how much light when you "just" 
increase the cell area, now...

>
> > Cell display != desktop computer display. I had LCDs in pocket calcs 20
> > years ago, that would be saying like TFTs weren't vaporware 20 years ago
> > because the calc LCDs existed.
>
> 20 years ago was only 1987.  TFTs weren't vaporware.  They were just
> egregiously expensive.  4 years later they were in a portable computer
> and merely expensive.

See above.

>
> In addition, not all of the expense in TFTs was TFT technology.  TFTs
> needed digital semiconductors working at quite a lot faster speeds that
> a CRT system.  Graphics chips were a hard problem in 1991.  OLED does
> not have this problem since TFT has already paved that path.

Given.

> > Uh.. your fav bunch of IT newsticker, tech newspapers..?
>
> Uh ... do you really think I would have asked if the rags I read said
> anything concrete?  All of my engineering rags indicate that the
> emission stuff is still stuck in the lab.

Happen to speak german? I can dig something up then tho if something seriously 
sucks about heise then it's their search function.

Dex

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