Tracy R Reed wrote:
Bob La Quey wrote:
Even a brief survey of the history of spycraft will provide you with
many ways of sustaining secure communications in the face of
very real oppression.

Sure, at VERY great risk and effort. Whereas if they had never let their freedoms erode to the point where they couldn't just send those things in a sealed envelope in the first place it never would have come to that.



This is interesting, the two positions...

On the one hand Tracy and Paul very well put that the system promises and even promotes methods that the system itself should be subject to restraints that on the whole "guarantee" (in founding father vernacular, and "on the whole" being the operative phrase) privacy of communication, integrity of self and possessions (updated to modern technological terms) all as our ideals of freedom of thought and association.

On the other hand...

Bob (vastly simplified) says there is no guarantee of any such thing and any systemic promise of any such thing is just B.S. Secure your own %$&* or don't bother caring. Be happy.

I think I agree with Bob. Here is why. If you want security, privacy, and sole access to what you hold dear you pretty well better setup methods and practices that either hide, encrypt and diversity in a way that you have sole access to what you value to the extent necessary and for the time period required. Why would I think that?

Tracy pointed out that the things he has found reliable "in his lifetime" are one set of things and another set haven't been reliable. Bob has been around almost twice as long and I being much closer to Bob than Tracy can see that all systems benefit your personal liberty and integrity solely as a secondary effect. No law is going to guarantee that your rights and freedoms aren't going to get gamed. Most of the time things go very well on the surface. Eventually everyone individually experiences they work not at all. And in recent times even the most visible of our officials make no bones about individual guarantees and rights being explicitly secondary to other purposes[1]. You may have a reasonable expectation otherwise but if we can't see that profit and prosperity are way out ahead of our individual interests then we haven't lost or seen people loose everything despite guarantees.

At this end of the spectrum we have seen that the system both visibly and (revealed over time) in secret has had spectacular failures in protecting individual rights especially since the mid-60's. The system recycles, things settle down people get comfortable again, others still have other uses for the system...

You should use systems, don't let systems use you. Secure your own #$^&... Yesterday.

rbw
[1] I have no expectations otherwise and you shouldn't either...
http://tinyurl.com/3exjz3
http://www.epic.org/

"Nobody really knows what routing and addressing information is.... If you're putting in addressing information and routing information, you may not just get (From: lines of e-mail messages), you might also get content," the source said.
http://www.wired.com/politics/law/news/2001/09/46852
Gee, Really? You Think?



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