Bob La Quey wrote:
On Nov 26, 2007 12:42 AM, Randall Shimizu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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From: Bob La Quey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 12:08:45 AM
Subject: Re: China has the largest (DoS) Denial of service capability....!

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The US military's advantage is experience. The US military has decades

of computing experience. China's advantage is that they are highly focused on

cyber warfare and so are we. So therefore the degree of focus and resource allocation

is the key. One study noted that China is will align all it's resources when it wants to

achieve a goal. The other factor is number of new engineers it can throw at cyber warfare.

Yeh. I can believe that they can throw a _lot_ of very intelligent
young people at the problem. I would not be surprised if they could
out man us by 5 or 10 to one.

I also suspect that imagination, primarily a province of the
young (i.e. the Chinese), is more important than experience
in the game of cyberwarfare. We have a sterotype of the unimaginative
Chinese student. I suspect the sterotype is false.

Don't suspect, bet on it... Even with it being true in the past that Maginot line is getting circumvented by experience that can't possibly be only and simply linear change as opposed to an exponential change. This is the stuff of which Dec. 7ths and 9/11's are made. That being said...


The Chinese are a very difficult enemy. So maybe the best strategy is
to make them an ally. For instance, they have a _lot_ of their
wealth tied up in US debt instruments. They have _lot_ to lose
by _defeating_ us, including their largest external market.

I think this is true as they can strategically plan to stand by the sidelines while economic, political and military titans fall and they can, with age old patience, fill in afterwards. The bad news is that our one global power hegemony (not that that is bad in political terms given the alternatives; it being bad in the neo-modern one world global chamber of commerce) might be something the generals want to try out to see if they would like as much as we do. The really bad news is (oddly just like exactly 100 years ago) that everyone assumes the powers that are are sacrosanct where as the truth is that the world 100 years hence will probably be just as unrecognizable as 1908 is today.

Everyone is trying to use money, power and technology to be the last hegemony standing.


Then there is Russia. No love lost between the Chinese and Russia.

I firmly believe China sees the U.S. and Russia flailing about and crashing and burning over the old politics vs the new global business world order. China is moving farther and farther away from their greatest fear which is internal discord (population disparities aside for the moment) with help from modern technology and commerce. Even if we and the Russians bump heads on our side of the globe they have a huge incentive to hold their hand and check. After all they have a whole planets worth of people just in their own borders alone. I think they actually count on some sort of stumble in the West which will be their cue to take Taiwan and fill the vacuum.


There are some obvious win/win scenarios. But this takes far
more political will (and imagination) than we have seen exercised
in either capital in decades.

I've decided to abstain from any thoughts that the U.S. is anything but just plain lucky at the base of it all with a very impressive icing of ingenuity, imagination, bravery, and love for others just so long as you don't mess with our money. Drop the luck and and we are all potential just like anyone else. So I agree, we don't have the will or imagination because it is just not relevant to next quarter and next election cycle here or over there.

rbw
P.S. I get all your stuff too Randall but the formatting is difficult to follow (maybe some carriage returns between yours and others' posts?) and sometimes I get your whole message as one long line.
(Me=gmail -> T-Bird -> mailbox filters)


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