begin quoting Ralph Shumaker as of Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 06:48:28PM -0800: > SJS wrote: [snip] > >...to follow my own comment, one of the neat things in many IDEs (and > >some editors too) is the thin line that marks some column boundary, > >typically column 80. Having a reference other than the edge of the > >window is, amazingly enough, quite useful. > > > > Yeah, thunderbird used to do that. I miss it. Or maybe it was mozilla > that did it. Anyone know if thunderbird has it? and how to turn it on?
I think several of us are looking for it... > >There are several (proprietary) programming editors that do just that. > >Flexibly. (Some of those editors are very nearly an IDE in and of > >themsevles.) > > IDE? I keep seeing that term used but never spelled out, and from the > context, all I can gather is that it is some kind of special editing > program or programming environment. (I kept waiting for someone to > elaborate, but if anyone has, I've missed it, or forgotten.) Andrew has done so already, downthread; IDE is just short for "integrated development environment". Think of *nix as an "unintegrated development environment" -- you can mix and match your tools easily and transparently; there's no "God program" coordinating all the various pieces. The programs are decentralized and decoupled from each other, and it's up to you to do the coordination. Naturally, the line is a little bit fuzzy. Is emacs an IDE? When you tell Vim where your source code is (so it can do lookups) and set up ctags, and tie it to your makefile... is that an IDE? If not, how much more would it have to have before it did become so? > >In vi(m), I use ":set list" and ":set nolist" frequently -- it lets me > >look for tabs (^I) and trailing spaces in the source code. > > Pre-CISE-ly what I wanted (for end-of-line anyway)! Thanks. Yay! -- Eclipse still continues to not make sense to me It's like writing code isn't their reason to be Stewart Stremler -- [email protected] http://www.kernel-panic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/kplug-lpsg
