When taking my Commercial Check Ride in 1969, I was struggling to perform
the on-pylon 8s, so the examiner Odell Garrison CFI AI # 5697 (just looked
it up in my log book) took the controls of the Cherokee 140 and said "let
me show you how easy this is."  He then crossed his  arms and using only
elevator trim and rudder preformed the on-pylon 8s better than I was doing
with all controls. Yes the airplane would go out of trim as he rolled from
one pylon to the other but the ball would soon center itself as he
continued the maneuver. So with balanced controls and power you should be
able to control pitch attitude in a relative stable airplane, but I'm not
so sure how long you could control a KR. Mr Garrison was 76 years young at
the time and was a pleasure to fly with. Another trick he showed me was, he
took his unlit cigar from his mouth and laid it on the instrument panel,
went into a climb then a -G dive and caught the cigar in hid mouth. I still
haven't perfected that maneuver. I have tried it a few times using a pencil
instead of a cigar but I usually get it in the eye rather than in the
mouth. He taught me a lot in 1.4 hour check ride, and yes I did pass. 
Jack Cooper
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> [Original Message]
> From: Richard Collins <[email protected]>
> To: KRnet <[email protected]>
> Date: 1/29/2004 10:47:20 AM
> Subject: Re: KR>Elevator trim
>
> I used to practice this technique in my Taylorcraft when I would get bored
> and could think of nothing else to do except "what ifs".  I found I could
> use the elevator trim quite successfully to raise and lower the pitch.  I
> also used to doors to substitute for rudder. 
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