In a message dated 4/23/2004 5:13:34 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[email protected] writes:

> The issue of a weakness at the "back" of the VW makes total sense - I have 
> seen drawings where the pulley mounting hole is drilled deeper into the 
> crankshaft past the narrow sections  /grroves etc.  I figured that had 
> solved the problem.
> 


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Removing the sharp metric threads and reaming to remove your tool marks does 
in fact remove the stress-risers.  The original bore is then deepened and 
re-threaded, typically to 1/2-13 and using a rounded thread-form, either SAE or 
Whitworth.  A special close-tolerance shoulder-bolt must then be made.  Ideally 
the bolt would completely fill the reamed bore but this is impossible to 
achieve since the bolt must have some clearance.

The bolt does not need an exceptional amount of strength since the typical 
hub was tapered to the nose of the crank.

Despite all that, the nose still failed.  The crankshafts are mild steel and 
there simply was not enough metal to withstand the stresses to which it was 
being subjected.

Filling the bolt hole and the Woodruff keyway with a weldment using submerged 
arc resulted in a solid nose which then had to be annealed, the crank 
straightened, the nose reground and the journals re-hardened.  A square keyway 
similar to that found on the A-series Continentals was used for hub alignment.

That seemed to solve the problem, at least for engines of stock displacement. 
 But it was fairly expensive even back then (late 1950's); the quality of the 
workmanship was a key factor.  And you were still left with your prop mounted 
to a stubn of shafting barely three-quarters of an inch long.

And of course, the engines kept getting bigger.  Prior to the Corvair, 
cylinders for motorcycles and a large displacement Wisconsin engine were 
available 
as war-surplus and could be fitted to the VW crankcase if you were willing to 
do the work.  Since the crankcases were free, quite a few of us followed that 
route.  ('Free' because they came from VW's that had been hit in the rear.  
Early VW engines had the dynamo tower cast integral  with the right-hand half 
of 
the crankcase.  A rear-end collision typically fractured the dynamo tower 
causing the crankcase to be discarded.  Since conversion to flying status 
involved 
cutting away the generator tower, there was no shortage of cases on which to 
experiment.)

The introduction of the Corvair in 1960 caused larger than stock VW engines 
appear on the nose of many airplanes.  And for many of them to shed their 
props.  This lead to the 'long taper' modification.  After welding the nose 
solid, 
the taper was extended across the #4 bearing journal, increasing the contact 
area between the hub and the crank by nearly an inch.  After being fitted to 
the crankshaft the OD of the hub was ground to precise alignment with the other 
main bearings and the nose of the crankcase was opened up to accept the fatter 
hub, which then used the parent metal of the crankcase as its bearing.

(In so far as I know the long-taper hub was developed by Bob Huggins, who 
displayed his engines at Rockford.)

The long-taper hub seemed to solve the fracture problem.  But the gyroscopic 
loads that caused the fractures were still there and of greater magnitude as 
the displacement of the engines increased. (*)  There were still enough hub 
failures to keep everyone aware of the problem but in the case of the 
long-taper 
conversion the fault usually lay in the workmanship.

(*  Think of the prob as a flywheel.  Running in a stable attitude its loads 
are nicely balanced and the shaft to which it is attached does not see a lot 
of stress.  Now do a hard right turn :-)  The prop doesn't want to make the 
turn.  It wants to keep spinning in its original plane.  But the SHAFT makes 
the 
turn... and so does the prop and in doing so some remarkably high loads appear 
at the point where the prop is attached to the crankshaft.)

Magnesium is not a bad bearing material for a steel shaft, assuming it has 
adequate surface and lubrication.  The gyroscopic loads on the long-taper hub 
now appeared as wear on the nose of the crankcase.  As soon as the thing 
accumulated enough wear it would begin to gall and you were soon shopping for 
another 
case.

This lead to the sleeved-hub conversion, in which the crankcase was machined 
to accept a sleeve-type bearing for the long-taper hub.  Running in the 
sleeve, the hub had significantly more support than when running in the parent 
metal 
of the crankcase, which is hollowed out for the oil slinger.  The main 
difficulty was how to ensure adequate oiling.  This was finally resolved by 
adding a 
seal to the outboard end of the sleeve and introducing pressured oil at that 
point.  

There were a number of other mods involved along the way, such as moving the 
thrust bearing up to the #3 main bearing web, but the bottom line is that 
after a quarter-century or so of experimentation by American homebuilders we 
resolved the crank failure problem.  But not cheaply.  

Now step outside the box.  Why is the prop installed on the pulley-hub?  

I submit that if there is no compelling reason to do so there is no 
justification for installing the prop on the pulley hub since it is easier and 
less 
expensive to install it on the opposite end of the crankshaft.

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> What does not make sense is the claim that Great Plains are stating that 
> their rear drive, damped engine has done something like 400 hours (I think 
> it is 400) without a snag - I will go back to their web site and check.



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Perhaps it HAS done 400 hours.  Note the dates of the rear-drive messages in 
the AirVW files.  Perhaps Steve has found a more suitable elastomer and has 
since accumlated 400 hours.  Or he may be referring to a smaller engine.  
(Hal's 
was a 2332, as I recall.)

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> 
> I have heard great reports from everyone about steve benet - would be real 
> sad f this is true.
> 

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True or not, I wouldn't worry about it.  Anyone who has ever brought a 
product to market knows it's a rocky road.  Great Plains provides an invaluable 
service to the homebuilt community and is deserving of our support for doing so.


-R.S.Hoover

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