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From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" <[email protected]>
To: "KRnet" <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 1:25 PM
Subject: KR> Carb on top


Any builder looking to run with carb on top needs to run one that is similar 
to an auto carb in that it has a good needle and seat style control for 
regulating fuel into the bowl.  The problem that I have seen with alot of 
carbs being adapted to the KR engines is that they are purpose built, just 
not for our purpose.  A carb used on our engines needs to be one designed 
for a moving vehicle, not adapted from an industrial application, or a farm 
tractor, or something else.  A good candidate is the Weber series of carbs. 
Another are the Mikuni carbs from 4 cylinder engines (not from seadoos, not 
large enough) like the Honda Protégé or Accord.  These carbs are designed to 
run daily with engine heat, so on top is okay, and they run with fuel pumps, 
so that is okay. Use the book AUTO MATH BOOK by John Lawlor to calculate the 
necessary cfm requirements for your application and then match the carb to 
it, always choosing to the low side of the cfm requirement. Example: if your 
engine calculates to needing say 368 cfm at your peak rpm, then choose an 
available 350 cfm carb, or 325 cfm whichever is readily available. This is 
one time where bigger is NOT better. Larger will cause hesitations, surging, 
and mixture problems through all ranges except peak rpm (which is what the 
carb would be selected to work at only in this case). Testing has shown that 
an oversized carb will actually cause the engine to slow down, or make less 
power not make more.  Also make sure that it is a factory style carb and not 
after market like a Holley, which will require jetting and adjusting for all 
ranges and changes in season.  Acquire a Carter brand electric pump which 
uses a better pumping mechanism to prevent flooding and has more volume flow 
without the pressure (see the Weber Carb site).  The Posa requires too many 
modifications to make it acceptable. I think Jim Faughn is still running one 
on his 2180 VW.  He goes into alot of detail on his site about it, as does 
Orma. Good reading.

And here is a little tip alot of builders are missing: if you use a carb of 
late model design, say after 1975, it will not only be designed for best 
lean mix which will yield best performance, but will NOT require mixture 
control as it will be equipped with a barometrically controlled diaphragm 
that will automatically lean the mixture as you climb or atmospheric 
conditions change, the same way that the new FADEC engines alter the mix 
with electronic control by leaning the mixture. You will need to set the 
idle mixture and then the rest is preset mechanically based on factory 
adjustments internally. This is why the carb MUST be matched properly to the 
engine.  They also have an accelerator pump eliminating the need for a 
primer system, AND making acceleration smoother due to fuel being added as 
the throttle is opened at the same time, something that even some of the 
aviation carbs do not have which cause the typical popping back and 
hesitation when the throttle is opened rapidly from idle. I have heard 
counter thoughts on this but we cannot replace the decades of development 
that have gone into the successful carbs of later cars. Use as is including 
the choke. The electric choke will do 2 things: make cold starts a 
non-issue, and will allow for an automatic richening of the mix if the 
incoming air is too cold. Power is applied to the choke to keep it hot, so 
the carb temp has to get really low for it to come on, but if it does, the 
mix will richen to compensate for low temp of the incoming air for proper 
fuel atomization. These enhancements took many years to develop and cured 
the mysterious surging, flat spots, "vapor locking" and other drivability 
problems associated with the pre-emission carbs.

Just a quick note: long skinny runners for intake are more rpm sensitive and 
provide a better idle "signal" for smoother acceleration; short fat runners 
are better for overall rpm performance and make more power, but do not 
provide a good "signal" to the carb at low to intermediate rpm.

More on this later....

Colin
[email protected]
http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html
KR2(td) N96TA
Sanford, FL
Apex Lending, Inc.
407-323-6960 (p)
407-557-3260 (f)
[email protected]
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