My KR-2 weighs 760 pounds empty; that includes 26 pounds ballast added to
the engine mount, ELT moved to front of main spar, 4.6 pounds counter weight
removed from the elevator balance, and converting to single-place operation.
I used the Diehl wing skin kit; I suspect that may have contributed to some
of the excess weight versus the foam and glass layup per the plans. I also
abandoned the integral fiberglass wing tanks and installed welded aluminum
fuel tanks; a lot of the fiberglass from those tanks is still in the wings.
I am also certain that the stock KR-2 plans have a fundamental error
regarding the placement of the spars. Moving the wings 2-inches aft on the
fuselage would correct that error.
I originally installed Diehl gear legs obtained from NVAero. Steve Glover
had advertised that the gear legs were interchangeable between conventional
gear and tri-gear. I found this not to be true. Steve has reversed himself
and now sells unique sets of gear legs for conventional and for tri-gear. I
sold the original Diehl legs from my tri-gear installation to another
conventional gear KR-2 builder. I built another set of tri-gear legs using
Grumman blanks ($37/pair); these legs are working nicely. Steve is selling
this design style now for tri-gear installations.
Here is the template that I used for my tri-gear legs.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/expercraft/sidwood/13255499345b2058d0a2ec4.jpg
One can save lots of time and money in just about any endeavor, if you start
off with the correct information in the beginning.
Sid Wood
Tri-gear KR-2 N6242
California, MD, USA
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
On 6/11/2018 11:43 AM, Sid Wood via KRnet wrote:
I originally put the tail wheel version gear legs on my tri-gear KR-2;
I could not get into the plane without dumping on its butt.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Sid,
As I recall your project was quite heavy, 800+ pounds, and rather tail
heavy so you added considerable weight to the engine mount or somewhere
up front.? Could that have contributed to the problem and are your gear
legs the original Deihl legs or a newer / different cut?? Sometimes I
think we call an apple rotten when we are dealing with an orange.? KR's
are sometimes so different, one to another, that we must use caution
when comparing one to another.
Larry Flesner
------------------------------
Message: 8
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2018 13:27:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: inhisserv...@reagan.com
To: "KRnet" <krnet@list.krnet.org>
Subject: KR> KR flyby = motivation for the day
Message-ID: <1528748835.472928...@webmail.reagan.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
99 KRneters,
KR2 motivation for your day. A KR2 flying at the beginning of the Heritage
Flight Museum's monthly fly day.
Little (in stature, not heart) airplanes look REALLY fast near the ground.
[ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eQXNh9jWs8 ](
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eQXNh9jWs8 )
iMs,
Zip
------------------------------
Message: 9
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2018 18:02:54 -0400
From: "Daniel Heath" <da...@windstream.net>
To: "'KRnet'" <krnet@list.krnet.org>
Subject: Re: KR> Progress
Message-ID: <00a001d401cf$f361adb0$da250910$@net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Lookin good Mark. When I sold my first one, I also regretted it, big time.
But you are right, I think if a person had time to build 3, they might
actually get it right, in their eyes.
My Panther Building Documentation at <http://pantherbuilder.org/>
PantherBuilder Web Site
Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC
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Subject: KR> Progress
Just a little update. I have been averaging 6 hours of work a day for the
last two weeks on my 2S. If interested go to my main web site and then click
on the link to my new project ?Wunderbird? to see photos.
Mark Jones
Oldsmar, Fl
www.flykr2s.com
flyk...@gmail.com
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2018 17:07:25 -0500
From: Flesner <fles...@frontier.com>
To: krnet@list.krnet.org
Subject: Re: KR> KR flyby = motivation for the day
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KR2 motivation for your day. A KR2 flying at the beginning of the
Heritage Flight Museum's monthly fly day.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Nice video.? It looks like the top rear edge of your canopy gets a
pretty good lift at flight speeds.? Note the gap at speed.
Larry Flesner
------------------------------
Message: 11
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2018 17:18:57 -0500
From: Ken Hurley <kenhurle...@gmail.com>
To: KRnet <krnet@list.krnet.org>
Subject: KR> KR2
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I'm working on my KR2 to get it flying this month. I may need some
guideance on getting the FAA blessing to fly it. I'll make a list of what I
think I need and post later. While it's 90 degrees + on earth,,,,, it isn't
that hot in the air! I've never flown a tail dragger. I've got a few
friends that fly them all the time and are will to help teach me the ground
procedures!
Up in the air this month,,,,,, is my goal!
Thanks
Ken Hurley
kenhurle...@gmail.com
------------------------------
Message: 12
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2018 15:23:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: inhisserv...@reagan.com
To: "KRnet" <krnet@list.krnet.org>
Subject: KR> Canopy pull up from aero loads
Message-ID: <1528755787.5867...@webmail.reagan.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Larry,
I agree. The age of GoPro is awesome for finding things one cannot see
otherwise. I never knew my canopy lifted that far, or even at all.
In the coming month I will work out a latch to hold the canopy firmly in
place and check it with h-stab camera again. If anyone out there has a good
mechanism to do this for a side-mounted canopy, I am all ears.
Thank you for the point out.
iMs,
Zip
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Subject: Re: KR> KR flyby = motivation for the day
KR2 motivation for your day. A KR2 flying at the beginning of the Heritage
Flight Museum's monthly fly day.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Nice video. It looks like the top rear edge of your canopy gets a
pretty good lift at flight speeds. Note the gap at speed.
Larry Flesner
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2018 15:25:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: inhisserv...@reagan.com
To: "KRnet" <krnet@list.krnet.org>
Subject: Re: KR> KR2
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Ken,
If you have not flown a taildragger before, it is a good idea to get some
time under your belt in one before flying a KR.
iMs,
Zip
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Subject: KR> KR2
I'm working on my KR2 to get it flying this month. I may need some
guideance on getting the FAA blessing to fly it. I'll make a list of what I
think I need and post later. While it's 90 degrees + on earth,,,,, it isn't
that hot in the air! I've never flown a tail dragger. I've got a few
friends that fly them all the time and are will to help teach me the ground
procedures!
Up in the air this month,,,,,, is my goal!
Thanks
Ken Hurley
kenhurle...@gmail.com
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2018 17:26:45 -0500
From: Ppaulvsk <ppaul...@gmail.com>
To: KRnet <krnet@list.krnet.org>
Subject: Re: KR> KR2
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I'll see if I can make it out there this month on the way back from?
Carthage?
Paul ViskBelleville Il.618-406-4705
-------- Original message --------From: Ken Hurley via KRnet
<krnet@list.krnet.org> Date: 6/11/18 5:18 PM (GMT-06:00) To: KRnet
<krnet@list.krnet.org> Cc: Ken Hurley <kenhurle...@gmail.com> Subject: KR>
KR2
I'm working on my KR2 to get it flying this month. I may need some
guideance on getting the FAA blessing to fly it. I'll make a list of what I
think I need and post later. While it's 90 degrees + on earth,,,,, it isn't
that hot in the air! I've never flown a tail dragger. I've got a few
friends that fly them all the time and are will to help teach me the ground
procedures!
Up in the air this month,,,,,, is my goal!
Thanks
Ken Hurley
kenhurle...@gmail.com
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2018 18:06:21 -0500
From: Flesner <fles...@frontier.com>
To: krnet@list.krnet.org
Subject: Re: KR> Gear legs
Message-ID: <cdf6c35f-d03a-b375-15ba-c0d5ad1a0...@frontier.com>
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On 6/11/2018 1:32 PM, Christopher Pryce via KRnet wrote:
I have physically held both of them in my hand and there is a
difference.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Chris,
Do you recall the brand / supplier for each of the sets and what the
difference was?? Maybe we can narrow this down.
Larry Flesner
------------------------------
Message: 16
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2018 18:10:29 -0500
From: Flesner <fles...@frontier.com>
To: inhisservice--- via KRnet <krnet@list.krnet.org>
Subject: Re: KR> Canopy pull up from aero loads
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On 6/11/2018 5:23 PM, inhisservice--- via KRnet wrote:
In the coming month I will work out a latch to hold the canopy firmly in
place and check it with h-stab camera again.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Consider release in an emergency situation in your design.
Larry Flesner
------------------------------
Message: 17
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 03:11:07 +0400
From: Christopher Pryce <vr6chri...@gmail.com>
To: KRnet <krnet@list.krnet.org>
Subject: Re: KR> Gear legs
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My first set came from a donor KR2 I purchased in Mississippi. It was a
tri gear and I was planning on using the gear legs for my conventional
setup. After I purchased it, I found out that the legs were cut with
angles on both sides. I was expecting them to have a straight edge on one
side. I called Steve Glover and he told me that there is a difference
between the two (when that happened, I don't know). I then purchased a
brand new set through Steve, in 2014 I believe, for conventional gear and
they are cut like the picture you provided.
On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 3:06 AM, Flesner via KRnet <krnet@list.krnet.org>
wrote:
On 6/11/2018 1:32 PM, Christopher Pryce via KRnet wrote:
I have physically held both of them in my hand and there is a
difference.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Chris,
Do you recall the brand / supplier for each of the sets and what the
difference was? Maybe we can narrow this down.
Larry Flesner
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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2018 18:31:10 -0500
From: Flesner <fles...@frontier.com>
To: krnet@list.krnet.org
Subject: Re: KR> Gear legs
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On 6/11/2018 6:11 PM, Christopher Pryce via KRnet wrote:
My first set came from a donor KR2 I purchased in Mississippi. It was a
tri gear and I was planning on using the gear legs for my conventional
setup. After I purchased it, I found out that the legs were cut with
angles on both sides. I was expecting them to have a straight edge on one
side. I called Steve Glover and he told me that there is a difference
between the two (when that happened, I don't know). I then purchased a
brand new set through Steve, in 2014 I believe, for conventional gear and
they are cut like the picture you provided.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I purchased my gear legs from Diehl 20+ years ago and they had one
straight edge the entire length of the leg.? They look to be the same as
NVaero is selling now.? Unless Dan changed the design before I hooked up
with the KR community some 28 years ago I have no idea about the set
from the donor KR.? I'm wondering if the builder of that KR modified
them, not that any of us builders today would do such a thing.? I'm
thinking Steve is selling the gear legs in the same shape that he got
from Dan.? I seem to recall Dan did a drop test on the legs for early
testing and Marty Roberts was involved in the early design / testing of
the gear. Someone mentioned the cast brackets are quite strong.? The
brackets I questioned earlier and were changed by Dan were the lower
cast aluminum brackets that the axles bolted to.? They were rather
narrow and had bolt holes to close to the edge in my opinion.? There
were a couple of failures and Dan recalled them all and replaced them
with 1/4" 4130 steel.? That has to be more that 15 years ago as I've
been flying mine since early 2004.
Larry Flesner
------------------------------
Message: 19
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 02:01:05 +0200
From: "Jeff Scott" <jscott.pla...@gmx.com>
To: krnet@list.krnet.org
Subject: Re: KR> Gear legs
Message-ID:
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I purchased my gear legs from Diehl 20+ years ago and they had one
straight edge the entire length of the leg.? They look to be the same as
NVaero is selling now.? Unless Dan changed the design before I hooked up
with the KR community some 28 years ago I have no idea about the set
from the donor KR.? I'm wondering if the builder of that KR modified
them, not that any of us builders today would do such a thing.? I'm
thinking Steve is selling the gear legs in the same shape that he got
from Dan.? I seem to recall Dan did a drop test on the legs for early
testing and Marty Roberts was involved in the early design / testing of
the gear. Someone mentioned the cast brackets are quite strong.? The
brackets I questioned earlier and were changed by Dan were the lower
cast aluminum brackets that the axles bolted to.? They were rather
narrow and had bolt holes to close to the edge in my opinion.? There
were a couple of failures and Dan recalled them all and replaced them
with 1/4" 4130 steel.? That has to be more that 15 years ago as I've
been flying mine since early 2004.
Larry Flesner
-------------------------------
Not that it's important by any stretch of the imagination, but the lower
cast aluminum brackets had been recalled before I acquired my KR as a
project 23 years ago. They had already been swapped out when I picked up
the project. Time does get away from us old timers... I would guess that
if anyone wanted to pin point a date (I don't), it would be in the old
newsletters from around 1993 - 1995.
Dan was not a fan of the longer gear legs he sold to Larry and me. When he
first saw my plane, he tried to talk me into cutting a few inches off the
gear. I declined. His comment was, "Then make good landings!" I've been
beating this plane on the ground for 1200 hours now, and so far, the gear is
still hanging on. I did find an issue using the 5:00x5 tires with some of
the tacky tires that don't skid much on touchdown (Good Year Flight Custom
III) as they were actually twisting the spars a bit on touch down and
causing some cracks in the skin around the gear mounts. At that time, my
flights were all from a high altitude airport, which means a significantly
higher landing speed. Between the faster landings, more inertia to spin up
a 5:00x5 tire, the tackiness of the flight Custom III tires, and 6 more
inches of leverage with the longer gear legs, I could feel a noticeable jerk
on the gear upon touch down. I took those tires off and went back to the
cheap Condor tires,!
which ended the problem.
-Jeff Scott
------------------------------
Message: 20
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2018 20:33:51 -0500
From: Ppaulvsk <ppaul...@gmail.com>
To: KRnet <krnet@list.krnet.org>
Subject: Re: KR> Canopy pull up from aero loads
Message-ID: <5b1f22ec.1c69fb81.d31c1.a...@mx.google.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
I'm keeping it simple.? I am using window sash latches like Joe Horton. The
emergency release will be a device tied into the canopy hingepin which will
be pulled and the canopy then can be ripped off.
Paul ViskBelleville Il.618-406-4705
-------- Original message --------From: Flesner via KRnet
<krnet@list.krnet.org> Date: 6/11/18 6:10 PM (GMT-06:00) To:
inhisservice--- via KRnet <krnet@list.krnet.org> Cc: Flesner
<fles...@frontier.com> Subject: Re: KR> Canopy pull up from aero loads
On 6/11/2018 5:23 PM, inhisservice--- via KRnet wrote:
In the coming month I will work out a latch to hold the canopy firmly in
place and check it with h-stab camera again.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Consider release in an emergency situation in your design.
Larry Flesner
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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2018 20:37:30 -0600
From: donald january <januaryd...@gmail.com>
To: KRnet <krnet@list.krnet.org>
Subject: Re: KR> Gear legs
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I sold the Diehl gear off myKR2 (1985 built)and I remember it was the same
shape as the earlier drawing in resent post. I kick myself in the a$$
because I do believe they would work on my Taylor-monoplane. If I'm right
you get your CG on the airfoil first then set your gear angle to the wanted
tail weight in level flight.
On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 6:01 PM, Jeff Scott via KRnet <krnet@list.krnet.org>
wrote:
I purchased my gear legs from Diehl 20+ years ago and they had one
straight edge the entire length of the leg. They look to be the same as
NVaero is selling now. Unless Dan changed the design before I hooked up
with the KR community some 28 years ago I have no idea about the set
from the donor KR. I'm wondering if the builder of that KR modified
them, not that any of us builders today would do such a thing. I'm
thinking Steve is selling the gear legs in the same shape that he got
from Dan. I seem to recall Dan did a drop test on the legs for early
testing and Marty Roberts was involved in the early design / testing of
the gear. Someone mentioned the cast brackets are quite strong. The
brackets I questioned earlier and were changed by Dan were the lower
cast aluminum brackets that the axles bolted to. They were rather
narrow and had bolt holes to close to the edge in my opinion. There
were a couple of failures and Dan recalled them all and replaced them
with 1/4" 4130 steel. That has to be more that 15 years ago as I've
been flying mine since early 2004.
Larry Flesner
-------------------------------
Not that it's important by any stretch of the imagination, but the lower
cast aluminum brackets had been recalled before I acquired my KR as a
project 23 years ago. They had already been swapped out when I picked up
the project. Time does get away from us old timers... I would guess that
if anyone wanted to pin point a date (I don't), it would be in the old
newsletters from around 1993 - 1995.
Dan was not a fan of the longer gear legs he sold to Larry and me. When
he first saw my plane, he tried to talk me into cutting a few inches off
the gear. I declined. His comment was, "Then make good landings!" I've
been beating this plane on the ground for 1200 hours now, and so far, the
gear is still hanging on. I did find an issue using the 5:00x5 tires with
some of the tacky tires that don't skid much on touchdown (Good Year
Flight
Custom III) as they were actually twisting the spars a bit on touch down
and causing some cracks in the skin around the gear mounts. At that time,
my flights were all from a high altitude airport, which means a
significantly higher landing speed. Between the faster landings, more
inertia to spin up a 5:00x5 tire, the tackiness of the flight Custom III
tires, and 6 more inches of leverage with the longer gear legs, I could
feel a noticeable jerk on the gear upon touch down. I took those tires
off
and went back to the cheap Condor tires, which ended the problem.
-Jeff Scott
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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2018 20:43:27 -0600
From: donald january <januaryd...@gmail.com>
To: KRnet <krnet@list.krnet.org>
Subject: Re: KR> Progress
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I took a look see at your site and yes the build looks like it's going
strong and straight. I have a Taylor mono about the same stage and can feel
your excitement..?
On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 4:02 PM, Daniel Heath via KRnet <
krnet@list.krnet.org> wrote:
Lookin good Mark. When I sold my first one, I also regretted it, big
time. But you are right, I think if a person had time to build 3, they
might actually get it right, in their eyes.
My Panther Building Documentation at <http://pantherbuilder.org/>
PantherBuilder Web Site
Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC
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To: krnet@list.krnet.org
Cc: mark jones
Subject: KR> Progress
Just a little update. I have been averaging 6 hours of work a day for the
last two weeks on my 2S. If interested go to my main web site and then
click on the link to my new project ?Wunderbird? to see photos.
Mark Jones
Oldsmar, Fl
www.flykr2s.com
flyk...@gmail.com
Sent from my iPhone 7
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