My standard KR2 with Tri-Gear was pitch sensitive at 25% chord. I moved the 12# 
battery behind the seatback to get 22% chord and now it is not pitch sensitive 
with 1 person aboard. I have flown with 160# of ballast with a similar result.
Text me if you are in my area for some stick time. Copilot should be under 200#.

Ryan
N81BP
Text 858-229-4875

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Wegmet [mailto:markweg...@charter.net] 
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 7:22 PM
To: KRnet; Jeff Scott
Subject: KR>Re: KR flight characteristics

Okay, I'll bite... what kind of trim control does a KR have? Some KR 
folks have installed various trim devices and even auto-pilots with some 
success, so not sure where this discussion should go.

Mark W(N952MW res) But I'm interested... done collecting parts, starting 
to build!

On 8/23/2021 9:02 PM, Jeff Scott wrote:
> A Bonanza can be properly trimmed and is dynamically stable.  A stock KR can 
> do neither.  I guess 1400 hrs in a KR wasn't enough training to hone my 
> skills.
>
> Still not a qualified as a "real" KR pilot, but at least I'm a slow learner. 
> :o) <- smiley face just in case someone misses my humor.
>
> -Jeff Scott
>
>
>
>> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 at 9:48 AM
>> From: "Tommy Waymack" <5blind...@gmail.com>
>> To: "KRnet" <krnet@list.krnet.org>
>> Subject: KR>Re: KR flight characteristics
>>
>> After 27 years of flying a stock kr2 . I Still hear here people complaining
>> about how the airplane is pitch sensitive. Maybe there is something to be
>> said for pilot training. would not change a thing.Beech Bonanza is pitch
>> sensitive too. Tommy W.
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 3:21 PM Flesner <fles...@frontier.com> wrote:
>>
>>> n 8/22/2021 1:25 PM, Jeff Scott wrote:
>>>
>>>> I flew my KR for 500 hrs without any drag producing devices.  Then I
>>>> added flaps and significantly modified the tail.  I don't think I ever
>>>> landed without flaps again other than for training purposes.  The
>>>> larger tail and deployable drag greatly expanded the operating
>>>> envelope of my KR with much improved crosswind performance.  My KR
>>>> suddenly changed from a calm day flyer to a plane that I could fly in
>>>> almost any VFR weather.
>>>>
>>>> -Jeff Scott
>>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It's unfortunate that the KR's have the reputation they have based on
>>> the original KR2.  The 2S built now days is a sleeper on the market.
>>> When Jeff moved up to a larger air frame (RV6) he sold one of the best
>>> equipped KR's on the market, 50% faster on the same fuel burn, than a
>>> C150 for less than $20K.  The Wisconsin KR2S just auctioned off is
>>> another example of a great bargain.
>>>
>>> The major problem with the KR is that people have out grown the design.
>>> A 200 pound pilot wants to carry a180 pound passenger in a small air
>>> frame using 75 h.p.  If the 200 pound owner would consider the airplane
>>> to be a great single place, and make a few mods to improve the flying
>>> characteristics if desired, they would enjoy owning and flying the KR.
>>> Mark Langford, being the size person the KR was designed for 50 years
>>> ago, flies one of the most stock KR2's all over the Midwest on a regular
>>> basis.  The flying characteristics are acceptable enough so that he is
>>> not yet motivated to repair the 2S he flew prior to that and put it back
>>> in the air.
>>>
>>> The KR has it's flaws but all are well know and can be designed out to
>>> have a great flying, economical airplane.  That's why it still has it's
>>> followers.
>>>
>>> Larry Flesner
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