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On 2004-10-08T22:11:07+00:00 M-wege wrote:

Version:           0.1 (using KDE 3.3.0,  (3.1))
Compiler:          gcc version 3.3.4 (Debian 1:3.3.4-12)
OS:                Linux (i686) release 2.6.8.1-kanotix-5

To limit the amount of paper used during printing. I often print 2 pages
on one side. But this feature only works within one printjob. I want the
possibility to merge different printjobs to one, mix them and create the
possibility to print more than one page on a side. The functionality
should be similar like fineprint provides for windows

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On 2004-11-07T22:23:45+00:00 Kurt Pfeifle wrote:

Mark,

thank you for your bug report/wishlist item.

The bug that your reported however, does not apply to KDEPrint. The
reason:

--> this functionality has been implemented many years ago already! <--

The bug report will be closed.

To get the 2-up output you want, you should have CUPS installed. I did this 
with the current KDE CVS HEAD version of KDEPrint (but this is the same in 
the last few releases):

1. start kprinter
2. click "Expand" button (lower left)
3. select the "Files" tab
4. click "Add file" button (the uppermost one on the right side of the
    tab, see also tooltip)
5. select as many printable files as you want to put into one printjob 
    (these may be PDF, PostScript, ASCII text, images like jpeg, png,
    tiff... -- and these may be mixed into the same job too!)
6. order the files as you want them to appear in the final printout (use
    the arrow buttons to the right of the tab)
7. select your target printer
8. click "Properties..." (upper right of the dialog)
9. on the "General" tab, select your 2-up or 4-up settings, on the other
    tabs select whatever applies (NOTE, that some settings do apply to
    some file types, like "scale to 100% of page size" only applies to
    images...)
10. print and be happy with KDEPrint  ;-)


Final note: KDEPrint is just a frontend to the underlying print 
subsystem. As such it works best with CUPS, which is very powerful
(and KDEPrint really shines with it).

KDEPrint's own functionality are the "Virtual Printers" such as "Print
to File (PDF)". If you want to use these in a similar way as described
above, you have to make sure that you have all the required pre-filters 
installed which you can access via "Properties" --> "Filters" tab (see 
the "Requirement: "exec:/...." comments there).

Cheers,
Kurt Pfeifle


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On 2004-11-12T08:42:36+00:00 M-wege wrote:

Thanks for your explaination. But this seems rather complicated. The
suggested procedure would require me to have the files I printed on my
computer and to print the whole file and not only parts of (at least I
understood it that). Also this procedure doesn't seem to support
OpenOffice-Files. If CUPS already in general support this functionality
this may be not be so difficult.
When I send a printing job to kprinter there should be the additional
choice "collect print job". Print jobs are collected and can be
rearranged until you choose print". This is the way Fineprint (unfortuneatly
only for Windows) does it.

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On 2004-11-15T12:26:46+00:00 Kdeprint-bugs wrote:

What you describe looks like an intermediate layer between the
application-level "print" (kdeprint in this case) and the spooler
itself. IMO, this can be (and should be) implemented as a separate tool
that can be fired from kdeprint through the pseudo-printer framework:
just imagine a "Fineprint" printer bound to a fineprint-like tool that
would do what you expect (collect, merge, rearrange, preprocess... print
jobs). Unfortunately, I don't have the time neither the resources to
implement such an addon.

Michael.

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On 2004-11-15T12:37:56+00:00 M-wege wrote:

Ok, but in this case. I will at least reopen this wish, so that me be
somebody else gets attracted to the idea of implementing it.

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On 2005-01-19T18:25:54+00:00 Kurt Pfeifle wrote:

# But this seems rather complicated.

Did you even try it? Did it work?

# The suggested procedure would require me to have the files I printed on 
# my computer

Of course... (*)

Fineprint also can't print files if they aren't on the same computer as
Fineprint is.

(*) Oh waaaiiit..... Have you ever tried to open a file in kprinter, which
is residing on a smb:// or fish:// or ftp:// or http:// remote share??

# print the whole file and not only parts of (at least I understood it
that)

Correct.

# The suggested procedure would require me to have the files I printed on 
# my computer and to print the whole file and not only parts of (at least 
# I understood it that).

What you are asking for now is different from what you reported initially.
Your initially reported requirement is perfectly implemented already in
KDEPrint. The example I gave went even further, and explained how you can
do even *more* than you wanted.

What you want *now* is a sort of "Page Layouting and Impositioning Software".
You want to select individual or several pages from various document sources,
and be able to re-arrange them freely as you like.

This is way beyond the scope of KDEPrint. It would be a completely new 
application. (I'd very much like to see such an application too, BTW)

I am not sure if it is a good way to leave this wishlist item open at this
place. If you manage to open a separate, prominent wishlist item, I'd vote 
for it...  ;-)

For the time being, I leave it here....

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On 2005-01-19T18:45:57+00:00 M-wege wrote:

## The suggested procedure would require me to have the files I printed on
## my computer

#Of course... (*)

#Fineprint also can't print files if they aren't on the same computer as
#Fineprint is. 
What I meant by this was, that I can not use this to print Internetsources. I 
would have to save them as file, the best thing would be to first create a PDF. 
And then load it into a printing list.

It seems like that I have not described correctly what I want.
No you are saying this would need a seperate programme. I am not a programmer. 
But couldn't it work like this: There would be a pseudo-printer. You print your 
files to this printer one after another. By doing this, you can choose which 
pages you want to print. This pseuso-printer would keep this list of files 
until you decide to release it to the real printer. Does this really require a 
seperate programme. O.k. this may would not allow to arrange the files in 
advance. But at least the collecting mechanism would work.

If this is something sepate to wish, where would be a good place for
that?

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On 2005-01-19T21:02:05+00:00 Kurt Pfeifle wrote:

# What I meant by this was, that I can not use this to print
Internetsources.

Sigh...

Look at the PDF attachment. It is clearly printed 2-up, it is clearly an
internet source, and it used kprinter to do it. A perfect fulfillment of
what you described as your requirement in your first posting.

# I am not a programmer.

I am neiter. I am a documentation writer.

# No you are saying this would need a seperate programme.

Yes.

# But couldn't it work like this: There would be a pseudo-printer.

We could disguise that separate program as a pseudo-printer. (All the
pseudo-printers in KDEPrint are/use separate programs.)

The features you described are huge. As I said, I would love to see a
thing like this. But the problem is to find a developer who *likes* it
too (*). Remember, OSS developers mainly work because they like what
they work on. You can switch one onto another project by "ordre de
mufti".  [(*) or find one with the requested skills who does it for
payment...]

# This pseuso-printer would keep this list of files until you decide to 
# release it to the real printer.

I am thinking that this would best be implemented as a "PDF
impositioning programm". I will see if some of the Scribus and/or kpdf
developers might find this an interesting project to work on.

Dont hold your breath on it, though.

# If this is something sepate to wish, where would be a good place for
that?

I do not know yet. I have to find out first. (If I had known, I had
closed this wishlist item and asked you to go there and propose it again
;-)


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On 2005-01-19T21:05:34+00:00 Kurt Pfeifle wrote:

Created attachment 9179
Printjob by KDEPrint to "Pseudo PDF Printer", using internet resource and 2-up 
(as required by reporter)

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On 2005-01-20T10:19:18+00:00 Kdeprint-bugs wrote:

As a developer, I can tell you that it's best implemented as a separate 
program, because it can be done so (using pseudo-printers, which *are* separate 
programs, for example the "Print to PDF" simply uses ghostscript to convert PS 
to PDF) and it wouldn't overload kdeprint code base. AFAIK, Fineprint is also a 
separate program, it simply integrates well within Windows print system, like a 
pseudo-printer would do in kdeprint.
However, a Fineprint-like program (BTW, you're not the first one to ask for 
such a feature) is a mini-project by itself, and I don't have the time neither 
the resource to work on that.

Michael


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On 2007-01-15T15:47:57+00:00 Kurt Pfeifle wrote:

Mark,

I'm closing this now. What you want to do is already possible.

Use the prefilter-system with the "Multiple Pages Per Sheet Filter", set
it up as a separate "printer instance" and you have it available for
each job with a simple selection of that printer instance in the drop
down list. It can't be made much simpler, I'm afraid...

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On 2007-01-15T21:42:46+00:00 M-wege wrote:

Sorry, I do not understand what you mean how this should work. Could you
explain this step by step?

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On 2007-01-15T23:20:48+00:00 Kurt Pfeifle wrote:

Not now. No time. See also comment 1, last paragraph. See also
http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2630

To create a printer instance in KDE, run

  [alt]+[f2]
  "kdesu kcmshell printers"
  click the printer to highlight
  go to the "Instances" tab
  Create a new instance
  give it a name you like
  make all settings as they should be

you'll find the instance in the printers drop-down list of the print
dialog. And it will be set up with all the settings and pre-filters you
defined.

Printing with these exact settings will just be a matter of selecting
this instance. And you can create 2, 5, 100 instances if you like.


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On 2007-01-16T11:44:52+00:00 M-wege wrote:

Hi Kurt,
I followed your instructions till 

>make all settings as they should be

I could not find any new instance in the printers list. May be this has 
something to do that I have no actual printer installed and using the 
PDF-Printer as a starting point.
Are you really sure that it is possible to do the following. Surf around doing 
some research, send some pages which are collected here and then, also send 
pdfs and .odt's to the collecting. Then finally go to the list of collected 
pages. Delete some, rearrange them and then finally print to a PDF-file or a 
real printer?

Following your instructions I can not see where this is going to happen.
(That does not mean that it is impossible, I may missed some detail or
you forgot in your instruction because for you it is normal to use.

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On 2008-02-29T19:25:46+00:00 Asraniel wrote:

Hello,
i'm developing this as a semester project. We are a team of two and this is the 
current plan:

install cups-pdf and print to a pdf file (or ps file, you can configure 
cups-pdf to do one or the other).
Observe the output directory and launch our application when a new pdf arrives.

When kdeprint exists again, it should be trivial to add a virtual printer that 
directly saves the file in a specified directory and launches our application.
We are probably doing it in pure QT at first.

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On 2008-02-29T19:42:26+00:00 M-wege wrote:

That is really cool, great news. So should I remove it from 
http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Projects/Summer_of_Code/2008/Ideas#KDE-Print
again or would your like to do it as a Summer of Code Project?
Will it be possible to have it ready for KDE4? See 
http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Schedules/KDE4/4.1_Release_Schedule
Then you could put it in:
http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Schedules/KDE4/4.1_Feature_Plan

If you need any feedback on general conception, not on programing (I do
not know anything about that), I am willing to discuss/ read thing and
of course test things. I do not have KDE4 running at the moment, but I
could install it for testing purposes.

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On 2008-06-19T18:35:25+00:00 Asraniel wrote:

Hi,

and as promised, the "beta" version. This is the version i submitted at
the end of the semester. You can write bug reports in the bugtracker on
the project homepage. The user manual might be interesting, there are
quite a few limitations right now (only works with A4 documents for
example)

http://code.google.com/p/printruler/

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On 2008-11-09T09:36:42+00:00 M-wege wrote:

What is the state of integrating this into KDE and the print dialogue.
It would be really a shame, if your work would not be used, because
nobody know about it.

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On 2008-11-20T10:16:54+00:00 M-wege wrote:

Another reason for directly integrating printerruler in KDE: I have
noticed that PDF-Printer in Firefox gives the same names to PDF files,
when the page title of a page is similar. So you can't really collect
pages from these sources then.

BTW: Some naming suggestions: Print magic, Magic Printer, Page
Collector, ...

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On 2011-05-27T17:55:26+00:00 Jlayt wrote:

KDEPrint is obsolete, unmaintained and will never be revived.  Closing
all open bugs.

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On 2011-06-09T17:00:41+00:00 M-wege wrote:

Can't this be reassigned to whatever component is responsible for
printing in KDE?

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On 2015-11-09T13:28:57+00:00 Rivasgilbie121 wrote:

(In reply to Kurt Pfeifle from comment #1)
> Mark,
> 
> thank you for your bug report/wishlist item.
> 
> The bug that your reported however, does not apply to KDEPrint. The reason:
> 
> --> this functionality has been implemented many years ago already! <-- 
> 
> The bug report will be closed.
> 
> To get the 2-up output you want, you should have CUPS installed. I did this 
> with the current KDE CVS HEAD version of KDEPrint (but this is the same in 
> the last few releases):
> 
> 1. start kprinter
> 2. click "Expand" button (lower left)
> 3. select the "Files" tab
> 4. click "Add file" button (the uppermost one on the right side of the
>     tab, see also tooltip)
> 5. select as many printable files as you want to put into one printjob 
>     (these may be PDF, PostScript, ASCII text, images like jpeg, png,
>     tiff... -- and these may be mixed into the same job too!)
> 6. order the files as you want them to appear in the final printout (use
>     the arrow buttons to the right of the tab)
> 7. select your target printer
> 8. click "Properties..." (upper right of the dialog)
> 9. on the "General" tab, select your 2-up or 4-up settings, on the other
>     tabs select whatever applies (NOTE, that some settings do apply to
>     some file types, like "scale to 100% of page size" only applies to
>     images...)
> 10. print and be happy with KDEPrint  ;-)
> 
> 
> Final note: KDEPrint is just a frontend to the underlying print 
> subsystem. As such it works best with CUPS, which is very powerful
> (and KDEPrint really shines with it).
> 
> KDEPrint's own functionality are the "Virtual Printers" such as "Print
> to File (PDF)". If you want to use these in a similar way as described
> above, you have to make sure that you have all the required pre-filters 
> installed which you can access via "Properties" --> "Filters" tab (see 
> the "Requirement: "exec:/...." comments there).
> 
> Cheers,
> Kurt Pfeifle

Good comments ! For my two cents , if others is searching for a service
to merge PDF files , my family saw a service here <a
href="http://www.altomerge.com/"; >http://www.altomerge.com/</a>.

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