On 11-10-13 07:03 PM, Jonathan Riddell wrote:
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 03:43:27PM -0400, txwikinger wrote:
KDE5? Wouldn't it be better to create a good stable product before
always running to new, instable versions?
Fear not, KDE Frameworks 5 isn't a rewrite a la KDE 4, it's a
reorganisation to make the libraries more modular but only small
ABI/API changes. Applications will be largely unchanged.
I think we have to rethink some things anyway. I believe we should have
stable versions as default, and bleeding edge in PPAs in order to be
able to choose what to use. FLOSS is to a big extend really about
choice. The non-technical user wants a stable solution, the technical
user is usually expert enough to work with PPAs.
Generally we do have stable versions by default. Kontact is a problem
in this release. Do you have anything else in mind?
Jonathan
Well, I do not want to sound like everything is bad. However, over the
last year I feel the general quality has started to
suffer again. While I used to have stable systems, since maverick I
started to have system freezes that got more
frequent when time went along. And often bugs take a long time to fix. I
first raised the kded4 daemon spawning defunct child processes almost a
year ago and it got finally fixed a couple of weeks ago (ending up being
the kubuntu notification system)
I really believe we somehow should get more into TDD and have far more
automatic testing. However, that is probably another discussion.
Somehow I have to say I only use KDE partially now because of the
problems. I still use the desktop, but I use FF for my web development I
do (which I get paid for) and mutt/thunderbird for e-mail. I am not very
happy with those apps either. FF is becoming more instable every new
release and I find both apps far too bloaded. However, on the other
hand, I am waiting and waiting for apps in KDE that I can use instead
and somehow either they do not have the necessary feature set
(non-compliant rendering/js-engine) or are just a continuous disaster
like kmail.
I do not think I did not have one installation for 2 years for which I
got all the background daemons working all without errors and not
dragging down the performance of the machine. I continuously disable
nepomuk because of performance and akonadi always stops because of
errors (not that I am really using it anyway without kmail/kontact).
Since I have more to do in my business and hence far less time to tweak
my computers I started to understand the normal user who is frustrated
when the system does not work out of the box.
I guess this is what I mean with stable system. Maybe a lot of these
issues are not such a big deal when most of the community is technically
very literate and can fix a lot of issues on their own computers.
However, this does not allow mainstream users really to enjoy the systems.
And yes.. FLOSS means I should do something about it. And I really would
like to. Since I am restructuring how I currently work my paid stuff,
hopefully I will be able to contribute more in the future again.
Maybe we can have some of this in mind during UDS. Since we will have an
LTS, quality should be our highest priority.
Ralph (txwikinger)
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